Kosher Cheese?

[HARK!]

I don't follow Kosher Laws. I follow Torah. There are many practices found in the Kosher Laws that are not found in the Torah. That's OK if one wishes to follow them, so long as they don't preach it as Torah. We are not to add or subtract from the Torah.

The Kosher Laws say not to mix meat with dairy. Where did this come from?

It's my understanding that it came from the verse that says not to boil a kid (baby goat) in its' mother's milk.

Exodus 23:19 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
19 “You are to bring the best firstfruits of your land into the house of Adonai your God.
“You are not to boil a young animal in its mother’s milk.

Why would anyone do such a thing?

I started wondering about this about 40 years ago. I talked to my Jewish friends about it. The best answer I got was, "it's disgusting." That wasn't a good enough answer for me.

This supposition came to me, after connecting the dots of 40 years of general study.

100 years ago, before supermarkets, the answer might have been less shrouded.

Rennet is found in the stomach of kids and calves. The enzyme enables these herbivores to metabolize mother's milk. As they grow older this enzyme is no longer produced.

Many, if not most, types of cheeses require rennet to produce them. In the old days, before modern cheese factories, a potion of the calves stomach would be steeped in a hot pot of milk to begin the cheese making process.

Is it possible that the Kosher Laws, which require two sets of dishes, one for meat, one for dairy, completely overlook the intent of the Torah? Is it possible that YHWH prohibits taking the stomach of the calf, and dropping it in a hot pot of mother's milk?

I stopped eating rennet cheese last year.

 

[PloverWing]

I won't comment on the interpretation of Exodus. But I'll point out, for anyone who hasn't yet discovered these brands, that many of the cheeses sold under the Cabot and McCadam brand names say "Contains no animal rennet", and some carry a Kosher marking.

I don't keep kosher, but I prefer vegetarian products for most of my meals, so I keep an eye out for vegetarian cheeses.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

I don't follow Kosher Laws. I follow Torah. There are many practices found in the Kosher Laws that are not found in the Torah. That's OK if one wishes to follow them, so long as they don't preach it as Torah. We are not to add or subtract from the Torah.

The Kosher Laws say not to mix meat with dairy. Where did this come from?

It's my understanding that it came from the verse that says not to boil a kid (baby goat) in its' mother's milk.

Exodus 23:19 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
19 “You are to bring the best firstfruits of your land into the house of Adonai your God.
“You are not to boil a young animal in its mother’s milk.

Why would anyone do such a thing?

I started wondering about this about 40 years ago. I talked to my Jewish friends about it. The best answer I got was, "it's disgusting." That wasn't a good enough answer for me.

This supposition came to me, after connecting the dots of 40 years of general study.

100 years ago, before supermarkets, the answer might have been less shrouded.

Rennet is found in the stomach of kids an calves. The enzyme enables these herbivores to metabolize mother's milk. As they grow older this enzyme is no longer produced.

Many, if not most Types of cheeses require rennet to produce them. In the old days, before modern cheese factories, a potion of the calves stomach would be steeped in a hot pot of milk to begin the cheese making process.

Is it possible that the Kosher Laws, which require two sets of dishes, one for meat, one for dairy, completely overlook the intent of the Torah? Is it possible that YHWH prohibits taking the stomach of the calf, and dropping it in a hot pot of mother's milk?

I stopped eating rennet cheese last year.

I have no issue with combining cheese and meat. To me, "thou shalt not boil a goat in its mother's milk" means just that. I can't possibly get from there to mixing meat and cheese. As far as eating particular types of cheese, what I have only lists microbial enzymes, not pork rennet, so it's not a problem as far as food laws are concerned.

 

[HARK!]

I have no issue with combining cheese and meat. To me, "thou shalt not boil a goat in its mother's milk" means just that. I can't possibly get from there to mixing meat and cheese. As far as eating particular types of cheese, what I have only lists microbial enzymes, not pork rennet, so it's not a problem as far as food laws are concerned.

I've read about a plant substitute for rennet; but I haven't studied microbial enzymes. I'll have to look into it. I'm really missing cheese. I lean pescatarian, as it is. I only eat meat for the Moedim. Cheese was an important part of my diet.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[HARK!]

not pork rennet

I was still mentally processing my last post, when I said What?! What did he say?

I thought that the pork pushers might have found another way to peddle their wares on the unsuspecting Torah observer.

Pshew! It appears that this is a myth.

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Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

MYTH: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS.

Does animal rennet for cheese come from PIGS?
NO. Animal rennet must come from the same species of animal as the milk being used in for cheese. Calf-rennet is used to produce cows milk cheese, lamb-rennet produces sheep milk cheese, and kid-rennet to produces goats milk cheese. Each type of animal produces a unique type of rennet to curdle the milk produced by that species. Kid-rennet will not curdle cows milk or turn it into cheese. Rennet or digestion enzymes from other animals, like swine-pepsin, are not used in cheese production.

Eat Halal: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

 

[visionary]

I don't follow Kosher Laws. I follow Torah. There are many practices found in the Kosher Laws that are not found in the Torah. That's OK if one wishes to follow them, so long as they don't preach it as Torah. We are not to add or subtract from the Torah.

The Kosher Laws say not to mix meat with dairy. Where did this come from?

It's my understanding that it came from the verse that says not to boil a kid (baby goat) in its' mother's milk.

Exodus 23:19 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
19 “You are to bring the best firstfruits of your land into the house of Adonai your God.
“You are not to boil a young animal in its mother’s milk.

Why would anyone do such a thing?

I started wondering about this about 40 years ago. I talked to my Jewish friends about it. The best answer I got was, "it's disgusting." That wasn't a good enough answer for me.

This supposition came to me, after connecting the dots of 40 years of general study.

100 years ago, before supermarkets, the answer might have been less shrouded.

Rennet is found in the stomach of kids and calves. The enzyme enables these herbivores to metabolize mother's milk. As they grow older this enzyme is no longer produced.

Many, if not most, types of cheeses require rennet to produce them. In the old days, before modern cheese factories, a potion of the calves stomach would be steeped in a hot pot of milk to begin the cheese making process.

Is it possible that the Kosher Laws, which require two sets of dishes, one for meat, one for dairy, completely overlook the intent of the Torah? Is it possible that YHWH prohibits taking the stomach of the calf, and dropping it in a hot pot of mother's milk?

I stopped eating rennet cheese last year.

Should we get specific and only do this with goat meat?

Baby goats are "kids"
Exodus 23:19
The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Baby cow is "calf"
Genesis 18:8
And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Baby lamb is "lamb".

 

[Dkh587]

I was still mentally processing my last post, when I said What?! What did he say?

I thought that the pork pushers might have found another way to peddle their wares on the unsuspecting Torah observer.

Pshew! It appears that this is a myth.

===========================

Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

MYTH: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS.

Does animal rennet for cheese come from PIGS?
NO. Animal rennet must come from the same species of animal as the milk being used in for cheese. Calf-rennet is used to produce cows milk cheese, lamb-rennet produces sheep milk cheese, and kid-rennet to produces goats milk cheese. Each type of animal produces a unique type of rennet to curdle the milk produced by that species. Kid-rennet will not curdle cows milk or turn it into cheese. Rennet or digestion enzymes from other animals, like swine-pepsin, are not used in cheese production.

Eat Halal: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

Rennet is usually sourced from ruminant animals - sheep, goats and/or cows, but there is such a thing as “pig rennet”

Influence of pig rennet on proteolysis, organic acids content and microbiota of Pecorino di Farindola, a traditional Italian ewe’s raw milk cheese - ScienceDirect

you will often see an ingredient on cheese listed as “enzymes”.

These enzymes can and do (but not always) come from pigs.

Organic Valley makes wonderful cheeses and they use vegetable rennet/enzymes. Their cheese can be a little pricey, but worth it for quality + peace of mind.

you can always email/message companies and ask what kind of rennet & “enzymes” they use.

 

[HARK!]

These enzymes can and do come from a variety of sources, including (but not always) pigs.

OUCH!

I almost bought some cheesefood slices today, which listed enzymes in the ingredients.

I was contemplating this based on Mikha'el's post. On second thought I decided that the ingredients did not say "microbial enzymes;" so I felt this warranted more research.

I'm thankful that I didn't get excited, and race home to make a cheese sandwich.

Thanks for sharing this valuable information.

Are you refuting this source?:


Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

MYTH: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS.

Does animal rennet for cheese come from PIGS?
NO. Animal rennet must come from the same species of animal as the milk being used in for cheese. Calf-rennet is used to produce cows milk cheese, lamb-rennet produces sheep milk cheese, and kid-rennet to produces goats milk cheese. Each type of animal produces a unique type of rennet to curdle the milk produced by that species. Kid-rennet will not curdle cows milk or turn it into cheese. Rennet or digestion enzymes from other animals, like swine-pepsin, are not used in cheese production.

Eat Halal: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

 

[HARK!]

Should we get specific and only do this with goat meat?

Baby goats are "kids"
Exodus 23:19
The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Baby cow is "calf"
Genesis 18:8
And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

Baby lamb is "lamb".

Here is what I get from a secular source:

Noun
גְּדִי • (g'dí) m (plural indefinite גְּדָיִים‎, feminine counterpart גְּדִיָּה‎, Biblical Hebrew pausal form גֶּדִי) [pattern: קֶטֶל]

kid, calf; young bovid, especially goat

גדי - Wiktionary

 

[Dkh587]

OUCH!

I almost bought some cheesefood slices today, which listed enzymes in the ingredients.

I was contemplating this based on Mikha'el's post. On second thought I decided that the ingredients did not say "microbial enzymes;" so I felt this warranted more research.

I'm thankful that I didn't get excited, and race home to make a cheese sandwich.

Thanks for sharing this valuable information.

Are you refuting this source?:


Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

MYTH: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS.

Does animal rennet for cheese come from PIGS?
NO. Animal rennet must come from the same species of animal as the milk being used in for cheese. Calf-rennet is used to produce cows milk cheese, lamb-rennet produces sheep milk cheese, and kid-rennet to produces goats milk cheese. Each type of animal produces a unique type of rennet to curdle the milk produced by that species. Kid-rennet will not curdle cows milk or turn it into cheese. Rennet or digestion enzymes from other animals, like swine-pepsin, are not used in cheese production.

Eat Halal: Cheese contains rennet from PIGS. ?????

I edited my original post to add this link discussing using pig rennet

Influence of pig rennet on proteolysis, organic acids content and microbiota of Pecorino di Farindola, a traditional Italian ewe’s raw milk cheese - ScienceDirect

Frito Lays admits that they use pork derived enzymes in some of their cheese based seasonings...

U.S. Products Made Without Pork (Porcine) Enzymes | FritoLay

I’m not so sure the source you referenced is accurate. There is a comment with an alleged email from Kraft discussing enzymes from pigs in cheese. It’s the 2nd comment.

 

[HARK!]

I edited my original post to add this link discussing using pig rennet

Influence of pig rennet on proteolysis, organic acids content and microbiota of Pecorino di Farindola, a traditional Italian ewe’s raw milk cheese - ScienceDirect

Frito Lays admits that they use pork derived enzymes in some of their cheese based seasonings...

U.S. Products Made Without Pork (Porcine) Enzymes | FritoLay

I’m not so sure the source you referenced is accurate. There is a comment with an alleged email from Kraft discussing enzymes from pigs in cheese. It’s the 2nd comment.

Well, unfortunately for those of us who take heed, your sources appear to be far more credible than mine.

I appreciate your due diligence.

 

[HARK!]

U.S. Products Made Without Pork (Porcine) Enzymes | FritoLay

It's interesting that you bring up Fritos. One of the speakers, (I don't like to call them Rabbis) at my Messianic Congregation, a Mexican, would continually decry the sin of eating Fritos. I thought it was weird; because we need to be aware of pork being put into all prepared foods, from a can, from a restaurant, from dining at someone's home, who hasn't come as far in their walk in Torah.

 

[tampasteve]

My understanding is the the rules came from the "putting a fence around the Torah". That it is to keep from inadvertently violating the Law. I can certainly see how this would have been possible in the days before large scale separated dairy and meat cow facilities. But at this point the likelihood is HIGHLY improbable. If I were Jewish I would follow the Rabbinic rules on this, since I am not I will not worry and will use more common sense in my approach. If I lived in a country or area where this could be a problem I would have to evaluate it closer.

 

[visionary]

My understanding is the the rules came from the "putting a fence around the Torah". That it is to keep from inadvertently violating the Law. I can certainly see how this would have been possible in the days before large scale separated dairy and meat cow facilities. But at this point the likelihood is HIGHLY improbable. If I were Jewish I would follow the Rabbinic rules on this, since I am not I will not worry and will use more common sense in my approach. If I lived in a country or area where this could be a problem I would have to evaluate it closer.

Yep,, conscience clear..most important..

 

[pinacled]

I don't follow Kosher Laws. I follow Torah. There are many practices found in the Kosher Laws that are not found in the Torah. That's OK if one wishes to follow them, so long as they don't preach it as Torah. We are not to add or subtract from the Torah.

The Kosher Laws say not to mix meat with dairy. Where did this come from?

It's my understanding that it came from the verse that says not to boil a kid (baby goat) in its' mother's milk.

Exodus 23:19 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
19 “You are to bring the best firstfruits of your land into the house of Adonai your God.
“You are not to boil a young animal in its mother’s milk.

Why would anyone do such a thing?

I started wondering about this about 40 years ago. I talked to my Jewish friends about it. The best answer I got was, "it's disgusting." That wasn't a good enough answer for me.

This supposition came to me, after connecting the dots of 40 years of general study.

100 years ago, before supermarkets, the answer might have been less shrouded.

Rennet is found in the stomach of kids and calves. The enzyme enables these herbivores to metabolize mother's milk. As they grow older this enzyme is no longer produced.

Many, if not most, types of cheeses require rennet to produce them. In the old days, before modern cheese factories, a potion of the calves stomach would be steeped in a hot pot of milk to begin the cheese making process.

Is it possible that the Kosher Laws, which require two sets of dishes, one for meat, one for dairy, completely overlook the intent of the Torah? Is it possible that YHWH prohibits taking the stomach of the calf, and dropping it in a hot pot of mother's milk?

I stopped eating rennet cheese last year.

[. I talked to my Jewish friends about it. The best answer I got was, "it's disgusting." ]

In the above bracketed is Harks testimony about having "jewish friends".

Question hark.

Have you ever met them in person?

 

[HARK!]

Question hark.

Have you ever met them in person?

That's a weird question.

The majority of my closest friends have been Jewish, since I was a teenager.

Some of them are still my closest friends to this day.

Why do you ask?

 

[pinacled]

That's a weird question.

The majority of my closest friends have been Jewish, since I was a teenager.

Some of them are still my closest friends to this day.

Why do you ask?

Yes or No will suffice.

Did you meet them in person?

 

[HARK!]

Yes or No will suffice.

Did you meet them in person?

I answered your question; and you ignored mine. That's rude.