Knowing Jesus is real vs Believing Jesus is real?

[1yugioh]

Okay so I know that Jesus died for my sins and is the savior of all our souls, But I have been told that there is a difference between knowing and believing.
I always assumed that knowing and believing were the same, I mean how can you know something is true without believing it is.

But apparently the difference between the two is trust. So I guess how do you trust Jesus? I know it's a silly question, but it has been described as believing that the lord will come through on his promise of salvation, well of corse he will come through, he's god. However, that doesn't change the fact that you have to keep up your end of the bargain. I mean there are people in the Bible who lost there salvation because the fell away such as the reprobate. Though depending on if you are a Calvinist or an Arminian would determine if you believed these people were ever saved or not.

So what is the difference between the 2 to you? And since your views will change depending on if you are a Calvinist or an Arminian, could you mention which one you are when you post your reply. I am not trying to be intrusive but it would help understand where you're coming from.

 

[Davian]

 

[Smidlee]

I'm a Christian. Calvin and Arminius were in my view both good men and I have no reason to doubt they were Christians. I think a little disagreement is a good thing since my wife and I don't see everything the same way. I think listening to her views helps balance my views out. The same with Calvin and Arminius, I find them helpful to the cause of Christ.
Now as far as who save that really is God's business. Jesus clearly stated his sheep knows his voice and a stranger they will not follow. Given enough time God will often reveal the tares from the wheat.
I'm a follower of Christ Jesus while I see Calvin and Arminius my brothers in the faith.

I think there is a difference knowing of someone and really knowing someone. It takes time and effort to really know someone.

 

[1yugioh]

But what does it men Know his voice. I mean there are a lot of people who think they know Christ and don't and vice versa, how do you make sure you aren't fooling yourself/

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I don't think you can know Jesus is real, except through "private revelation" if it exists. Even then, others will doubt. Its a bit like any other mystical experience, it cant be communicated ulless someone else has had it, and maybe is beyond normal language.

Like if there were a real 6th sense, and only one person posessed it, how could he describe what was not seeing, not touching, not heaaring etc except negatively? But in logic negative definitions are regarded as poor.

 

[Smidlee]

But what does it men Know his voice. I mean there are a lot of people who think they know Christ and don't and vice versa, how do you make sure you aren't fooling yourself/

I normally use the scientific method. Mostly I think it something you learn over time.

 

[LilLamb219]

The difference concerns trust in what our Savior has achieved for us for our salvation instead of the wording of knowing/believing He is real.

The bible states that the demons knew who Jesus was, yet salvation was not meant for them. God intended for Jesus' death and the redemption won to benefit mankind.

Instead of just talking about whether or not someone knows/believes who Jesus is, we have to get to the heart of what was accomplished for us. Forgiveness of our sins.

 

[Colter]

Okay so I know that Jesus died for my sins and is the savior of all our souls, But I have been told that there is a difference between knowing and believing.
I always assumed that knowing and believing were the same, I mean how can you know something is true without believing it is.

But apparently the difference between the two is trust. So I guess how do you trust Jesus? I know it's a silly question, but it has been described as believing that the lord will come through on his promise of salvation, well of corse he will come through, he's god. However, that doesn't change the fact that you have to keep up your end of the bargain. I mean there are people in the Bible who lost there salvation because the fell away such as the reprobate. Though depending on if you are a Calvinist or an Arminian would determine if you believed these people were ever saved or not.

So what is the difference between the 2 to you? And since your views will change depending on if you are a Calvinist or an Arminian, could you mention which one you are when you post your reply. I am not trying to be intrusive but it would help understand where you're coming from.

God knows the sincerity of your heart, he knows that faith grows as expected. Don't worry yourself over these imagined technicalities.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Hello 1yugioh,

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**Okay so I know that Jesus died for my sins and is the savior of all our souls, But I have been told that there is a difference between knowing and believing.
I always assumed that knowing and believing were the same, I mean how can you know something is true without believing it is.

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[FONT=&quot]There is a difference between knowing and believing, but the difference is in how each of these cognitive constructs applies to the ontological nature of the object(s) of our attention and/or rational reflection. Knowledge is basically gained in degree according to the level of proximity we have to the object of our attention, whether that object (such as Jesus) be physical or cognitive. In the case of Jesus, unless we’re a mystic, we don’t sense Him at all. So, we apply our minds and hearts to form belief and then faith in Jesus via our proximity and application of His Word through His Spirit. We have knowledge of God’s Word, even if the knowledge is de dicto in nature rather than de re; as Paul the Apostle said to the Corinthian church, “For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known” (1 Corinthians 13:12 NASB).

**But apparently the difference between the two is trust. So I guess how do you trust Jesus? I know it's a silly question, but it has been described as believing that the lord will come through on his promise of salvation, well of corse he will come through, he's god. However, that doesn't change the fact that you have to keep up your end of the bargain. I mean there are people in the Bible who lost there salvation because the fell away such as the reprobate. Though depending on if you are a Calvinist or an Arminian would determine if you believed these people were ever saved or not.

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[FONT=&quot]You trust Jesus by applying His Word to your life and seeing its truth unfold each day that you live. As John relates from Jesus, “If any man is willing to do His will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from Myself”(John 7:17). For instance, look at the results you get when you sow into your life such principles as the Beatitudes, or see what response you receive when you “love an enemy,” or care for a widow or orphan, or even defend your faith or share the Gospel.[/FONT]
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**So what is the difference between the 2 to you? And since your views will change depending on if you are a Calvinist or an Arminian, could you mention which one you are when you post your reply. I am not trying to be intrusive but it would help understand where you're coming from.

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[FONT=&quot]In considering my theological thoughts in relation to Calvin and Arminius, I’m inclined to say that I probably am closer to Arminius than to Calvin, although I might not articulate my understandings of Scripture in the same way that he has.[/FONT]

 

[Paradoxum]

I don't think there's a difference. If you 'know' something, you believe it.

I'm a Christian. Calvin and Arminius were in my view both good men and I have no reason to doubt they were Christians.

Calvin wasn't a good man. He was an authoritarian dictator and a murderer. He killed heretics (people who disagreed with him) including an old friend. At least one person was killed by burning at the stake... a particularly inhumane way to kill someone. (He was also against dancing.)

He was an evil man.

 

[Smidlee]

Calvin wasn't a good man. He was an authoritarian dictator and a murderer. He killed heretics (people who disagreed with him) including an old friend. At least one person was killed by burning at the stake... a particularly inhumane way to kill someone. (He was also against dancing.)

He was an evil man.

The one thing Baptist knows about was those killed in the past for preaching against baby baptism. I realized some see him as a Pharisee. I also understand church wanting to control cults in the past but it lead to abuse including burn people to the stake which eventually lead in the states to the freedom of religion.

 

[Paradoxum]

The one thing Baptist knows about was those killed in the past for preaching against baby baptism. I realized some see him as a Pharisee. I also understand church wanting to control cults in the past but it lead to abuse including burn people to the stake which eventually lead in the states to the freedom of religion.

I'm not sure what your point is. Do you agree he was an evil murderer?