KJV only debate

mesue said:

I am KJV only. I believe it is on God's authority and that He has blessed this Bible.

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verismo said:

Yeah, that is what I am saying...where did you get that idea?

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[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Why Are There Errors in the King James Version? [/font]
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[font=Times New Roman, Arial]You have probably heard the joke about the bigoted Protestant fundamentalist who said, "If the King James Version was good enough for the apostles, it is good enough for me!" People sometimes forget that the KJV was published in 1611 A.D. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]For centuries prior to 1611, Latin was the only scholarly language in Europe. The Latin Vulgate translation of Jerome, based upon a corrupt Alexandrian Text, was the "official" text of the powerful Roman Catholic Church. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Protestant translators sometimes did not have access to all of the Received Greek Official Text, and being familiar with the Vulgate, they sometimes put words into their translations based upon the Latin which were never there in the original Greek. Schaff points out that in about 80 places in the New Testament, the KJV adopts Latin readings not found in the Greek. Erasmus had a corrupt, incomplete text of Revelation to work from, and hence this book has many errors in the KJV. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]The King James translators did a marvelous job with the materials they had. While this article is necessary to point out the KJV errors, it should be noted that the errors, omissions and additions made by the RSV, NIV, and other modern translations are worse! [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Translation Errors[/font]
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[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Here is a partial listing of King James Version translation errors:[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Genesis 1:2 should read "And the earth became without form . . . ." The word translated "was" is hayah, and denotes a condition different than a former condition, as in Genesis 19:26.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Genesis 10:9 should read " . . . Nimrod the mighty hunter in place of [in opposition to] the LORD." The word "before" is incorrect and gives the connotation that Nimrod was a good guy, which is false.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Leviticus 16:8, 10, 26 in the KJV is "scapegoat" which today has the connotation of someone who is unjustly blamed for other's sins. The Hebrew is Azazel, which means "one removed or separated." The Azazel goal represents Satan, who is no scapegoat. He is guilty of his part in our sins.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Deuteronomy 24:1, "then let him" should be "and he." As the Savior explained in Matthew 19, Moses did not command divorcement. This statute is regulating the permission of divorce because of the hardness of their hearts.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]II Kings 2:23, should be "young men", not "little children." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Isaiah 65:17 should be "I am creating [am about to create] new heavens and new earth . . . ."[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Ezekiel 20:25 should read "Wherefore I permitted them, or gave them over to, [false] statutes that are not good, and judgments whereby they should not live." God's laws are good, perfect and right. This verse shows that since Israel rejected God's laws, He allowed them to hurt themselves by following false man made customs and laws. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Daniel 8:14 is correct in the margin, which substitutes "evening morning" for "days." Too bad William Miller didn't realize this. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Malachi 4:6 should read " . . . lest I come and smite the earth with utter destruction." "Curse" doesn't give the proper sense here. Same word used in Zechariah 14:11. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Matthew 5:48 should be "Become ye therefore perfect" rather than "be ye therefore perfect." "Perfect" here means "spiritually mature." Sanctification is a process of overcoming with the aid of the Holy Spirit. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Matthew 24:22 needs an additional word to clarify the meaning. It should say "there should no flesh be saved alive." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Matthew 27:49 omits text which was in the original. Moffatt correctly adds it, while the RSV puts it in a footnote: "And another took a spear and pierced His side, and out came water and blood." The Savior's death came when a soldier pierced His side, Revelation 1:7. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Matthew 28:1, "In the end of the sabbath as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week . . ." should be translated literally, "Now late on Sabbath, as it was getting dusk toward the first day of the week . . . ." The Sabbath does not end at dawn but at dusk. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Luke 2:14 should say, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men of God's good pleasure or choosing." That is, there will be peace on earth among men who have God's good will in their hearts. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Luke 14:26 has the unfortunate translation of the Greek word miseo, Strong's #3404, as "hate", when it should be rendered "love less by comparison." We are not to hate our parents and family! [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]John 1:31, 33 should say "baptize" or "baptizing IN water" not with water. Pouring or sprinkling with water is not the scriptural method of baptism, but only thorough immersion in water. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]John 1:17 is another instance of a poor preposition. "By" should be "through": "For the law was given by [through] Moses . . . ." Moses did not proclaim his law, but God's Law. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]John 13:2 should be "And during supper" (RSV) rather than "And supper being ended" (KJV).[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Acts 12:4 has the inaccurate word "Easter" which should be rendered "Passover." The Greek word is pascha which is translated correctly as Passover in Matthew 26:2, etc.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I Corinthians 1:18 should be: "For the preaching of the cross is to them that are perishing foolishness; but unto us which are being saved it is the power of God", rather than "perish" and "are saved." Likewise, II Thessalonians 2:10 should be "are perishing" rather than "perish." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I Corinthians 15:29 should be: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the hope of the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the hope of the dead?" [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]II Corinthians 6:2 should be "a day of salvation", instead of "the day of salvation." This is a quote from Isaiah 49:8, which is correct. The day of salvation is not the same for each individual. The firstfruits have their day of salvation during this life. The rest in the second resurrection. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I Timothy 4:8 should say, "For bodily exercise profiteth for a little time: but godliness in profitable unto all things . . . ." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I Timothy 6:10 should be, "For the love of money is a [not the] root of all evil . . . ." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Hebrews 4:8 should be "Joshua" rather than "Jesus", although these two words are Hebrew and Greek equivalents. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Hebrews 4:9 should read, "There remaineth therefore a keeping of a sabbath to the people of God." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Hebrews 9:28 is out of proper order in the King James. It should be: "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them without sin that look for him shall he appear the second time unto salvation." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I John 5:7-8 contains additional text which was added to the original. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." The italicized text was added to the original manuscripts. Most modern translations agree that this was an uninspired addition to the Latin Vulgate to support the unscriptural trinity doctrine. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Revelation 14:4 should be "a firstfruits", because the 144,000 are not all the firstfruits. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Revelation 20:4-5 in the KJV is a little confusing until you realize that the sentence "This is the first resurrection." in verse five refers back to "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" in verse four. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Revelation 20:10, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are [correction: should be 'were cast' because the beast and false prophet were mortal human beings who were burned up in the lake of fire 1,000 years previous to this time, Revelation 19:20], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." The point is that Satan will be cast into the same lake of fire into which the beast and false prophet were cast a thousand years previously. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Revelation 22:2 should be "health" rather than "healing."[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Italics: Sometimes Helpful, Sometimes Wrong [/font]
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[font=Times New Roman, Arial]No language can be translated word for word into another language. Hebrew and Greek idioms often do not come through clearly into literal English. Thus, beginning in 1560 with the Geneva Bible, translators initiated the practice of adding italicized clarifying words to make the original language more plain. The fifty-four King James translators did the same. Often, the added italicized words do help make the meaning clearer. At other times, the translators through their doctrinal misunderstandings added errors instead. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]In Psalms 81:4, "was" is totally uncalled for and not in the original Hebrew. New Moons are still a statute of God. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]We have shown how in Revelation 20:10 that the italicized "are" is incorrect and that "were cast" in italics would have been more appropriate. Another instance is John 8:28 where Jesus said (KJV), "I am he." The "he" is in italics and was not actually spoken by Jesus, completely obscuring the fact the Jesus was claiming to be the great "I AM" of the Old Testament, John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]In Luke 3:23-38, the italicized words "the son" are not in the original Greek. Actually, Luke gives the fleshly descent of the Savior through Mary, while Matthew gives the legal descent through Joseph. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Matthew 24:24 should not have the italicized words "it were". It IS possible for the elect to be deceived. We need to be on guard! [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Romans 1:7 incorrectly has the italicized words "to be." The fact is, Christians are now saints. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I Corinthians 7:19 needs some italicized words to make the meaning clear. It should say: "Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but [the important thing is] the keeping of the commandments of God." [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Colossians 2:16-17 can be properly understood only if the KJV italicized word "is" in verse 17 is left out, as it should be. The message of these verses is: don't let men judge you as doing wrong when you observe the holy days, new moons and sabbaths; let the body of Christ (the Church) do the judging.[/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I Timothy 3:11 has "their" in italics, which is not implied in the original. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]II Peter 2:5 should not have "person, a." Noah was the eighth preacher of righteousness. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]I John 2:23 has "[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also" in italics. This is an addition based upon the Latin text and not in the original Greek. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Punctuation Problems [/font]
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[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Luke 23:43 has been erroneously used by some to claim that Jesus went straight to heaven at His death. The original Greek did not have punctuation marks as we do today. The KJV states, "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." The comma should not be after "thee", but "day." The believing malefactor would be with Christ in the paradise of the redeemed when he was resurrected far into the future. [/font]

[font=Times New Roman, Arial]Mark 16:9 does not say that Jesus was resurrected Sunday morning. There is a missing implied comma between "risen" and "early" and there should be no comma after week as the KJV has it: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene . . . ." Thus, it should say, "Now when Jesus was risen, early the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene . . . ."

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KCJls said:

I use the NKJV, and it seems to be exactly the same as the KJV, just without the "thees" and "thous".

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Crimson Rose said:

there are lots of translations of the Bible, each touch different people in different ways,
the usually purpose of a new translation is to write the Bible in words that the people of today can understand, with each new tranlations-- things get changed because errors were found or because things have been simplified to make it easier to understand

i like kjv but it is not always the easiest to understand, yet along with siplifing things some parts of the true meaning of the scripture gets lost

thats why for daily reading is suggest-- reading the version that is easiest for you to understand

but for study i suggest--- having many different versions of the Bible to compare, along with looking up the original jewish\greek meaning of words(and phrases), and looking up the original context that the scripture was written in and therefore is meant to address

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sethsmommy said:

I understand things getting changed but when you make a new bible for better understanding atleast do it right 36 and then just totaly skip 37 and go right to 38 just don't make any sense to me. If you have both KJV and NIV please open them both up and see what I am talking about.

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8:36 Some late manuscripts baptized?" 37 Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." The eunuch answered, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Link

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sethsmommy said:

I am KJV, nothing is wrong with the Original version at all but the NIV I know for sure there is scriptures takeing out, if you have a KJV and a NIV please get them both out, turn to Acts 8:37 now tell me, is there an Acts 8:37 in the NIV, No there isn't and this is why I do not read the NIV. Thank you and God Bless

P.S.
That is just one of many scriptures takeing from the word. I don't read the NKJV or Living bible because there are also scriptures takeing away but I do not have them bibles in my home to look them up right now and I do not know them off of the top of my head. I have a NIV because my husband use to read it until I pointed this out to him, he is now a KJV reader also.

Melissa

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