Kerry said to be Excommunicated by RC Church

[d0c markus]

Los Angeles, Oct. 18 (CWNews.com) - A consultant to the Vatican has said Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has incurred the penalty of excommunication from the Catholic Church.

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=32830

Well, aside from liberal Catholics, I am assuming none will be voting for him. What exactly does this mean for kerry - religiously in the RC system?

 

[Ave Maria]

Just so you know, a similar thread already exists about this:

http://www.christianforums.com/t1066043-sen-john-kerry-“excommunicated”-according-to-vatican-response.html

 

[d0c markus]

hmmm I cant see it in the forum... weird... O well, 2 cant hurt.

 

[Gracchus]

I remember a story told to me by an army buddy. He had gone to a Franciscan monastery and asked to speak to a counselor.

He explained his problem to the priest thus: "I was born Roman Catholic but married a protestant outside the church."

"No problem there," responded the good father, "the marriage is invalid in the eyes of the church."

"I don't think you get it," said my friend, "I want to be excommunicated."

"If you feel like that," huffed the offended cleric, "I think you can safely assume that you are."

"That's good," said my friend, "but can I get a certificate?"

 

[Ave Maria]

hmmm I cant see it in the forum... weird... O well, 2 cant hurt.

I believe it's on Page 2. That's weird though if it didn't show up. All well, that's ok. Just thought I'd let you know in case you was interested in reading the other thread!

 

[stray bullet]

I remember a story told to me by an army buddy. He had gone to a Franciscan monastery and asked to speak to a counselor.

He explained his problem to the priest thus: "I was born Roman Catholic but married a protestant outside the church."

"No problem there," responded the good father, "the marriage is invalid in the eyes of the church."

"I don't think you get it," said my friend, "I want to be excommunicated."

"If you feel like that," huffed the offended cleric, "I think you can safely assume that you are."

"That's good," said my friend, "but can I get a certificate?"

Too bad the story is inaccurate- a marriage outside the Church is still a valid marriage.

 

[Gracchus]

Too bad the story is inaccurate- a marriage outside the Church is still a valid marriage.

Not in the eyes of the Catholic Church. At least in those days. Of course at that time those who ate meat on Fridays went to hell. (Did they get out when the rules changed?)

 

[stray bullet]

Not in the eyes of the Catholic Church. At least in those days. Of course at that time those who ate meat on Fridays went to hell. (Did they get out when the rules changed?)

Is there a particular reason you feel the need to spread false information about Catholicism, including this statement?

If you are interested in having this explained to you and me show you what is wrong with these assertions, I'll be happy to. However, I don't think you are.

 

[d0c markus]

Is there a particular reason you feel the need to spread false information about Catholicism, including this statement?

If you are interested in having this explained to you and me show you what is wrong with these assertions, I'll be happy to. However, I don't think you are.

I dont know if Id say it was entirely false, especially during the reformation years as they were quite troublesome and most break aways were still considered anathema.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Excommunication means you have done someting to rebel against the Church and have therefore placed yourself outside of communion with the Church. The Church informs you of your excommunication as an act of mercy in the hopes that you will repent and come back into communion. It doesn't mean you're booted out of the Church. This is why the "reformers" were excommunicated. They willingly left Christ's Church. This is a special case which applies to those who are Catholic and then leave. This does not apply to those who were raised Protestant or do not know the truth of the Catholic Christian faith.

 

[kermit]

I am very bothered that the Vatican felt the need to publically anounce his excommunication. It reeks of political posturing.

 

[Voter]

This article (registration required) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-gleaner,1,4678769.story?coll=chi-news-hedPosted in another thread has a very interesting comparison of how being Catholic affected Kennedy's race, versus Kerry's. And a lot more, besides.

 

[_Orion]

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0405749.htm

The letter from the Cardinal did not necessarily represent the official view of the Vatican...

 

[Gracchus]

Is there a particular reason you feel the need to spread false information about Catholicism, including this statement?

If you are interested in having this explained to you and me show you what is wrong with these assertions, I'll be happy to. However, I don't think you are.

When I graduated from a Catholic grammar school I got the first place medals for catechism and spelling. Of course, I haven't really been keeping up with changes to the eternal truth that were drummed into me by the nuns. Exactly what false information have I been spreading?

 

[Name of the Rose]

This article (registration required) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-gleaner,1,4678769.story?coll=chi-news-hedPosted in another thread has a very interesting comparison of how being Catholic affected Kennedy's race, versus Kerry's. And a lot more, besides.

The problem with the article is it drags in the abuse scandle to diffuse the Kerry situation. Making Catholics feel shame over a troubling time in the church so they forgive Kerry, for his seeming 'minor in comparison' faults is ludicrous!

But that is why the Chicago Tribune is better known by the "Libune." Although they did endorse George Bush over Kerry, so that should put in perspective how poor his campaign is being run.

Kerry's photo ops at Catholic churches have been a joke. Coming in late for mass dressed in ski gear, receiving communion and leaving immediately afterwards is a slap in the face to the church. What kind of image does that send to young children?

Kerry, in my opinion, is only Catholic when he wants the Catholic vote.

 

[stray bullet]

When I graduated from a Catholic grammar school I got the first place medals for catechism and spelling.

That's great, that doesn't mean you understand what we are talking about. You understand the basic principles, but not the philosophy and teachings regarding the two issues you have attempted to misinform the forum of.

Of course, I haven't really been keeping up with changes to the eternal truth that were drummed into me by the nuns. Exactly what false information have I been spreading?

Last I checked, the sacrament of marriage hasn't changed, nor has the need for penance. I'd be happy to explain Vatican II and Fridays, but something tells me you aren't interested.

 

[stray bullet]

I dont know if Id say it was entirely false, especially during the reformation years as they were quite troublesome and most break aways were still considered anathema.

No, it is false.

 

[Gracchus]

That's great, that doesn't mean you understand what we are talking about. You understand the basic principles, but not the philosophy and teachings regarding the two issues you have attempted to misinform the forum of.

Last I checked, the sacrament of marriage hasn't changed, nor has the need for penance. I'd be happy to explain Vatican II and Fridays, but something tells me you aren't interested.

Dodging the question and hoping no one will notice?

A marriage of Catholic and non-Catholic was permitted under canon law only if the non-Catholic party agreed to certain conditions, e.g. the children must be raised Catholic. If these conditions were not met the marriage was invalid in the eyes of the church, and the Catholic party was deemed to be "living in a state of mortal sin".

When did this change?

And since I specifically asked for information, it is disingenuous of you to claim I am not interested.

Oh well! Just another instance of religious double-think.

 

[d0c markus]

No, it is false.

Alright.

 

[d0c markus]

I am very bothered that the Vatican felt the need to publically anounce his excommunication. It reeks of political posturing.

The Vatican - Political Agenda's? No Way, Never!