Kent Hovind

[laptoppop]

I encourage you to pray for Kent Hovind, his family, and those involved in his ministry.

He has already seen several men come to the Lord in jail during his time waiting for sentencing.

You can read his occasional blog at cseblogs.com.

You can read some very interesting details of his trial, etc., at http://www.penaltyprotester.com/files/LindseyHovindTrialReport.pdf.

Different folks have very different feelings about Kent Hovind -- but we should not rejoice in the trials of others, but pray for the Lord to be glorified.

 

[vossler]

I agree wholeheartedly. It's sad to see others rejoice when a brother falls.

 

[Dannager]

I agree wholeheartedly. It's sad to see others rejoice when a brother falls.

I don't think anyone was rejoicing over him falling. Most of us were pretty fed up with his constant failure to be Christ-like in his words and deeds. We were rejoicing over his negative influence being removed. He may be a Christian, but there are Christian murderers, thieves and rapists, and everyone is relieved when they are caught and imprisoned.

 

[laptoppop]

Please remember that this is the creationist forum.

 

[Dannager]

Please remember that this is the creationist forum.

I know. I just wanted to clear up that we're not rejoicing over a brother's fall. It's pretty clear that vossler's post was directed at those critical of Hovind's work (in other words, evolutionists).

 

[laptoppop]

Actually there was a recent thread in the OT area which to me appeared to be doing just that.

I have experienced a fair amount of Hovind, although I have never met the man. My impression is that he is sincere. I disagree with him about certain political interpretations, and I think he is more of a popularist than a scientist-- willing to use weaker arguements that others prefer not to -- but I think there are a good number of people who need to be much more careful about judging the motives and intentions and beliefs of a man they have never met. There's also a huge difference which is often overlooked around here between using an argument others disagree with and lying.

 

[Dannager]

Actually there was a recent thread in the OT area which to me appeared to be doing just that.

I have experienced a fair amount of Hovind, although I have never met the man. My impression is that he is sincere. I disagree with him about certain political interpretations, and I think he is more of a popularist than a scientist-- willing to use weaker arguements that others prefer not to -- but I think there are a good number of people who need to be much more careful about judging the motives and intentions and beliefs of a man they have never met. There's also a huge difference which is often overlooked around here between using an argument others disagree with and lying.

I think your final point would be something to address to the OT forum as a whole. I'd love to see a topic on that for discussion.

 

[vossler]

I don't think anyone was rejoicing over him falling. Most of us were pretty fed up with his constant failure to be Christ-like in his words and deeds. We were rejoicing over his negative influence being removed. He may be a Christian, but there are Christian murderers, thieves and rapists, and everyone is relieved when they are caught and imprisoned.

Why is it that TEs constantly come in here stirring things up? A simple thread intended to lift a man up for prayer is taken as a personal challenge to substantiate ill feelings. No names or identities were mentioned yet you felt guilty, enough so to post your defense when one shouldn't have been required. If comments to my view from you or other TEs were encouraged I would have posted my thoughts in the main forum.

Without pointing fingers you won't have to look very hard to find people in OT who are rejoicing and/or laughing at this turn of events. I myself don't have a problem with him going to jail, it appears to be clearly warranted. That isn't the issue, I haven't heard a single person say he shouldn't be there. This would be no different if you went to jail for tax evasion and I came into OT and let it be known that I'm happy to see you and your negative influence and views finally put to rest and posted a picture of you in jail. I hope you can see that would not be very Christ-like at all. No matter what I may or may not feel about you, I could never do that and I would hope that was true for everyone here.

BTW, my post wasn't directed at anyone critical of his work (I'm not interested in what TEs think of his work), it was only made in response to the callous and unfeeling attitude that was being displayed concerning his imprisonment.

 

[Dannager]

I'll go ahead and bow out now. It's pretty clear that even an attempt at defense is frowned upon here.

 

[FallingWaters]

I encourage you to pray for Kent Hovind, his family, and those involved in his ministry.

He has already seen several men come to the Lord in jail during his time waiting for sentencing.

You can read his occasional blog at cseblogs.com.

You can read some very interesting details of his trial, etc., at http://www.penaltyprotester.com/files/LindseyHovindTrialReport.pdf.

Different folks have very different feelings about Kent Hovind -- but we should not rejoice in the trials of others, but pray for the Lord to be glorified.

Thanks for the link.
I have one of Hovind's videos.
I'm sorry to have seen him bring dishonor to the Lord,
but I do hope and pray that God will grab hold of him and set him upright.

 

[FallingWaters]

I encourage you to pray for Kent Hovind, his family, and those involved in his ministry.

He has already seen several men come to the Lord in jail during his time waiting for sentencing.

You can read his occasional blog at cseblogs.com.

You can read some very interesting details of his trial, etc., at http://www.penaltyprotester.com/files/LindseyHovindTrialReport.pdf.

Different folks have very different feelings about Kent Hovind -- but we should not rejoice in the trials of others, but pray for the Lord to be glorified.

I just finished reading the whole report.
It sounds to me like the Hovind's were railroaded and
the whole case should have been declared a mistrial.
Can you imagine 4 armed agents surrounding his wife in her bed,
handcuffing her in her nightgown,
not allowing her to go to the bathroom,
or to get dressed,
and hauling her downtown!?!
How inhumane!

 

[busterdog]

It bothers me very little that a guy would popularize creation science by using weaker arguments. Quite frankly, there is so much intense debate even within the creationist circle that it is pretty much impossible to please everyone. The point is to bring people to the Word and to get them to study for themselves, scripture and Bible.

Hovind's attempt to beat the tax man seems foolhardy. He could have probably made a deal to save himself at any point.

Did he bring dishonor to the Lord? I don't know. Did the Boston Tea party bring dishonor to the Lord? There would be no USA but for tax protests that first inflammed the drive for independence.

However, the time is coming when we are going to have to make a choice in this countty. The government is killing us with financial profligacy.

That being said, Jesus said to respect authority and pay your taxes. Hovind was probably just more honest than most people here about not paying them. In God's eyes, is not paying payroll tax a worse sin than fudging your expense deductions by a few hundred bucks?

Tough area all around. I don't think I would declare the man innocent or even wise, but I might suggest that he was probably just more demonstrative of some pretty big conflicts in this country. And I strongly counsel people not to be the first to cast any stone at Ken Hovind, even to say that he brought dishonor on the Church or his God.

Time and time again, the TE/YEC debate is perceived as a straight line division between truth and fraud. In truth, it is all largely very murky when it comes to human evaluation of ultimate issues. Hovind has been judged by his fellow believers the same way on his science and his tax ethics. I VERY much doubt that God sees our debates or Hovind's problems in such stark relief.

And yes, I am in agreement in prayer for him.

 

[keyarch]

It bothers me very little that a guy would popularize creation science by using weaker arguments. Quite frankly, there is so much intense debate even within the creationist circle that it is pretty much impossible to please everyone. The point is to bring people to the Word and to get them to study for themselves, scripture and Bible......

Thanks busterdog. Your post was very good and on the mark.
I like Kent. I don't agree with everything he says or how he's so dogmatic about some things, but I admire his spunk. I had an email exchange with him once and he did give me a forthright answer to a question, but never continued to debate it. That seems to be the trend with most popular ministries. They have set answers for creation type issues, and if you question them you never get a reply.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Agreeing also in prayer.
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[BoaBreedingChristian]

Kent certainly needs our prayers at this time. Thank you for this post.

 

[vossler]

Wow, I just read that link and I just wasn't aware of how unjustly the IRS and the media has treated the Hovind's this case. Everything I've read up until now painted an entirely different picture, now I'm questioning the validity of all the charges against him. This explains a lot and is making more sense now, I was thinking there just didn't seem to be any logic to what was going on.

Still, regardless to whether the charges are true or not, the response to his conviction and sentencing was very disappointing to see. Given who he is and his past I guess it's no surprise. It sadly just further demonstrates the differences between the TE and YEC. Those who stand for something are always easy targets, even from their own family.

Mr. Hovind will definitely be in my prayers.

 

[laptoppop]

Kent Hovind has taken some stands in the past based upon principle that I understand, but are not things I would have chosen to do. For example, he went around and around with the local government about not getting building permits for his buildings because he didn't want to acknowledge that they had the right to tell his church what they could and couldn't do. It wasn't the money -- ($50. or so) -- it wasn't the safety issues (he invited the inspectors to come by as private citizens and to look at every aspect of construction and to make suggestions -- he tried to build it way beyond just code requirements) -- it was the principle. It made a lot of people mad. On the other hand, he was taking a stand for the church to have the same preferential status as was granted DisneyWorld. Me? I would have paid the $50. and concentrated on other things -- but I understand why he did what he did.

In terms of the latest issues -- I don't know as much. There does seem to be some principle involved -- but also some bad advice from other folks. There's a body of people who talk about income tax being unconstitutional, for example. Me? I pay through the nose instead, and concentrate on other things.

Lord, please be with Kent Hovind and his family during these times. Teach them what You will, and keep them safe.

 

[jds1977]

I've met Kent in person and have also talked w/ him on the phone...The man is like a human computer, super-intelligent. I really hate this for him and his family. I know his heart was in his ministry and I've actually seen the guy cry over lost people which is rare from anyone today. We'll definitely be praying for him.

 

[TySJI]

Thanks busterdog. Your post was very good and on the mark.
I like Kent. I don't agree with everything he says or how he's so dogmatic about some things, but I admire his spunk. I had an email exchange with him once and he did give me a forthright answer to a question, but never continued to debate it. That seems to be the trend with most popular ministries. They have set answers for creation type issues, and if you question them you never get a reply.

I sent a question into AiG and had Jonathan Sarfati answer me when their regular staff couldn't. Props to them.

 

[MatthewDiscipleofGod]

I had an email exchange with him once and he did give me a forthright answer to a question, but never continued to debate it.

I once talked to Kent Hovind in person about my debating evolutionists (I know you are not an evolutionist but this deals with debating in general) on this web site. He said many people try to debate him by e-mail. He said he would gladly debate anyone in person but he won't debate anyone via e-mail. One reason being is that he one of the slowest typers out there. Also it was either him or Ken Ham that told me that they didn't see it worth while to doing much debating in an online context when there are so many people out there willing to hear their message openly. It just is more productive.