Have you creationists seen a doctor about this obsession with a literal interpretation of Genesis?
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Have you creationists seen a doctor about this obsession with a literal interpretation of Genesis?
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Originally posted by s0uljah
Its a website like this one, but for atheists.
Now, you can then wonder why someone that disbelieves in something would spend time talking about it, but thats another question.
You keep bringing this up as if it's exceptionally clever.
You wanna know something? Early Christians spent a lot of time talking about pagans. The Hebrews spent a lot of time talking about the Canaanites.
There are very good reasons to spend time discussing the beliefs of those you disagree with.
Furthermore, infidels *isn't* primarily about religion; it's got philosophy discussions (many atheists are very interested in moral philosophy, since they don't get their answers handed to them from a book), politics, general socializing, and all the other stuff you expect from a social BBS; it's just that the primary motivating factor is the desire to have a place where people who don't believe can talk about the harassment they have to deal with at work. (e.g., coworkers who spend all day talking about those "damn atheists" and all the problems they allegedly cause.)
It's really no weirder than this board, and I think you do your fellow man a disservice by being so derisive about it.
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That reminds me. I was going to flow the debate in normal acedemic debate style (despite the difference in structure) and use my handy little red pen to point out all of the falacies. I may just have to do that, scan the flow, and post it somewhere.
Oh, and have you gotten to the part about time being the god of the evolutionists? That cracked me up.
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Uh-huh. And if you lived in India, you'd talk about Hindu laws and restrictions a lot, even though you believe the religion to be wrong.
I really wish you'd drop this line of attack; it's insulting at best, and makes you look bigoted.
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*snort* Yeah, as if that'll happen. Souljah knows what us atheists think, and if we disagree we're just deluded or lying.
For the record: I spend most of my time at infidels reading the Church/State and political forums. Oh, and the misc. media stuff. Books and movies and why the Anna Nicole show is a sign of the destruction of the Western world.
For the record: I spend most of my time at infidels reading the Church/State and political forums. Oh, and the misc. media stuff. Books and movies and why the Anna Nicole show is a sign of the destruction of the Western world.
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Morat,
Why would atheists want to discuss morality? I thought you guys didn't believe in morality? How can you have morals if you don't believe in God?
Btw, I think this board needs a philosophy/politics forum. There needs to be a place where we can discuss these topics.
Why would atheists want to discuss morality? I thought you guys didn't believe in morality? How can you have morals if you don't believe in God?
Btw, I think this board needs a philosophy/politics forum. There needs to be a place where we can discuss these topics.
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So if you didn't believe in God you'd suddenly start raping and murdering? Morals come from values which usually come from your family unit or society.
Are you saying that the rest of the world that doesn't believe in your God has no morals?
Are you saying that the rest of the world that doesn't believe in your God has no morals?
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I think that atheists discuss religions a lot not because they are interested in finding God and how He works, but because they are interested in the people who believe such things. That's totally different from being interested in religion for its own sake.
When you find a person who has markedly different ideas about something, does it interest you why they believe that? Or do you just dismiss them as wrong and go about your way?
People who are interested in conversation, discussion, and other human beings probably would like to talk about their differences to learn more. It's interesting. I find Republicans very interesting, and like to talk to them about their "foolish" beliefs--it doesn't make me want to be one or mean that I have a secret desire to be a conservative. I'm definately not searching for a new ideology--I think mostly conservatives are misguided and fail to see the bigger picture.
It's easier to understand people of all kinds if you see them first as people, and not as "Label here".
--tibac
When you find a person who has markedly different ideas about something, does it interest you why they believe that? Or do you just dismiss them as wrong and go about your way?
People who are interested in conversation, discussion, and other human beings probably would like to talk about their differences to learn more. It's interesting. I find Republicans very interesting, and like to talk to them about their "foolish" beliefs--it doesn't make me want to be one or mean that I have a secret desire to be a conservative. I'm definately not searching for a new ideology--I think mostly conservatives are misguided and fail to see the bigger picture.
It's easier to understand people of all kinds if you see them first as people, and not as "Label here".
--tibac
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No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people who don't believe in ANY god have no morals. Not that they would rape and murder, just that they don't believe in right or wrong. Everything is relative to them.
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Sky, do you know any atheists personally? Why wouldn't they believe in right and wrong?
--tibac
--tibac
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We have morals, they are relative of course because they are personal. Something I find immoral you would think is a-ok and vice versa. This doesn't mean we have no morals at all.
And FYI, not all atheists are subjectivists, though I happen to be one.
And FYI, not all atheists are subjectivists, though I happen to be one.
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You thought wrong. Perhaps you should learn more about ye olde average atheist.
Easily. Thankfully, the moral systems of atheists isn't limited to what you know.
And, for the record, subjectivism isn't the nasty thing you seem to think it is. I'm a moral subjectivist, and I quite clearly label things as right and wrong. *shrug*
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"Infidels" is short for Internet Infidels, aka The Secular Web or II, many of us post on both ChristianForums and II. I myself am a moderator of the E/C forum on internet infidels. If you are interested in participating or simply lurking, I can pm you the url. You just have to ask.
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This is really depressing.
It would behoove you to learn more about people before being so dismissive of them.
I believed in morals long before I believed in God. How can you have morals? By observing the world, and accepting other principles (e.g., "people should not suffer needlessly".) This is no less rational than believing in God, and arguably more common.
I think you really need to take some time to learn more about what atheists really are, and rely less on the things other people tell you about them. Most atheists have a sense of right and wrong. They may not have an "absolute" set of morals, but many do; many believe that morality is inherent in the structure of things, just like physics. That was certainly what I thought, long before I had any answer to the God question.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend any atheists on this board, I was just stating my opinion, based on atheists I know or have come in contact with.
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One wonders what sort of atheists you came into contact with, whether you discussed morals at all, and whether you were paying attention.
Sorry, but either you've met very few atheists, or you weren't paying attention.
Sorry, but either you've met very few atheists, or you weren't paying attention.
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What have the atheists you know or have come in contact with done that is different from Christians you know, to make you think that they have no morals, no sense of right or wrong?
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Sky777, don't worry I don't think most of us were actually offended. It does get a bit frustrating, however, to be thought of as some sort of immoral monster.
Personally, I came to the ChristianForums to try to dispel misconceptions and let you ask questions as well as to get to know you all and your points of view.
I too am a moderator at Internet Infidels (Miscellaneous Discussions) and certainly invite anyone interested to lurk about or discuss with us.
Personally, I came to the ChristianForums to try to dispel misconceptions and let you ask questions as well as to get to know you all and your points of view.
I too am a moderator at Internet Infidels (Miscellaneous Discussions) and certainly invite anyone interested to lurk about or discuss with us.
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Being that we live in America, where federal laws based on religion are forbidden from being created, I tend to think this analogy is fundamentally flawed.
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