Kazaa

[snoopyloopysk8a]

They just sued this little kid for having alot of music on his hard drive. As long as he was not buring CD's off it. I think that its ok because he can easily delete them.

Then the kid's just dumb. You don't leave the files on your computer. You burn them as soon as you can. If they only find CD's, they can't actually prove that you downloaded them.

 

[SlowRoasted]

thats what you think dude, some of that forensic software they have out there can see files that you have deleted. You have to go through precautionary measures if you dont want them to be able to see it, you can just delete things.

 

[jones_of_pbf]

thats what you think dude, some of that forensic software they have out there can see files that you have deleted. You have to go through precautionary measures if you dont want them to be able to see it, you can just delete things.

These precautionary measure include, but are not limited to, a sledge hammer.
Forensics in Louisville was interviewed one time, and used software to find info on a hd that was over-written twice.
The info was extremely scrambled, but it was there.

 

[SirKenin]

Then the kid's just dumb. You don't leave the files on your computer. You burn them as soon as you can. If they only find CD's, they can't actually prove that you downloaded them.

Please tell me you don't put any faith in what you just typed.

 

[Deacon]

Actually if someone free willingly puts his music up for download on a thing like Kazaa...then it is not stealing....if you want proof talk to me on AIM and I will post our conversation on here so I can make anyone look completely silly.

 

[SirKenin]

Actually if someone free willingly puts his music up for download on a thing like Kazaa...then it is not stealing....if you want proof talk to me on AIM and I will post our conversation on here so I can make anyone look completely silly.

That's true, but I hate to tell you that the majority of mainstream artists, including Christian artists, do not do that. They claim copyright. Hence the successful actions of the RIAA. You could try, but the only one that would look silly is you.

 

[wgjones3]

Wow, this debate is really going in circles.

Here's what I think. Kazzaa and Napster and all the other services of the kind are distibution methods, just like the radio. The difference is, the radio stations pay royalties to use the songs they play; Kazza and Napster users rip the songs themselves from CDs or other sources and distribute them without paying royalties. Radio stations make money from selling ads or by listener donations; Kazzaa and Napster users don't make a dime (nor do the people who own the software). So, in essense, when a song is played on the radio, you can listen to it for free, but everyone else in the chain makes money; when you download a song for free, you still get the song for free, but nobody makes any money on it.

This is the whole problem that RIAA has with file sharing. In their view, the only profits they see are from the sale of the one CD where the music originated. Beyond that, an infinate number of copies can be made and distributed without the artist or record company seeing a dime of that money. After all, who in their right mind would pay for a product that they could get for free off the internet? And what company in their right mind would continue to make a product that could be distributed for free via the internet? In essense, this is a case of supply outweighing demand and driving down prices and profits.

While the RIAA arguments make sense, there's also the matter of inflated CD prices and proliferation of bad product on the market. I can understand a consumer's frustration at paying $15 for a CD because one or two songs off of that CD were played on the radio and sounded good--lables always release the best songs to radio. $15 for a CD with two good songs and 10 bad ones is a bad purchase, and you can't take that CD back once you buy it and listen to it. The Internet gives you a chance to download the whole album, if you want, and listen before you buy. But, what's to say that a person will even buy the album if they already have all the songs on their computer?

The flip side is that the Internet gives consumers the chance to sample music that isn't played on the radio. Often, these consumers will buy a CD that they otherwise wouldn't.

As for the laws, it's my understanding that you're allowed one electronic backup copy of any song, video game, etc... for every original, copyrighted version you own. If the copyright holder has granted permission to distibute files (as many artists do on mp3.com, musicclick.com, and other such services), then you can have as many copies as you wish.

So, is it a sin? I think that goes back to the intent in your heart. If you're downloading music because you don't want to buy it, then isn't that the moral equivilant of theft? Don't shoplifters steal because they want something but they don't want to pay? Perhaps it's more closely related to the receiving of stolen goods--you're getting a deminished quality version of the product at a reduced price (no box, no warranty, possibly scratched up in the case of physical goods; reduced sound quality in the case of mp3s).

I had a lot of music on my computer that I'd downloaded over the years, but when I got involved in church recently, God laid it on my heart to destroy those files. I didn't do it because I was scared of getting caught, I did it because I was scared that I was sinning and desensitizing myself to sin by doing it.

Another thing to remember, from a practical standpoint, is that Kazzaa and a lot of programs like it have spyware, little programs that are imbedded into the application that report back marketing data to some congomorate. Kazzaa even had some program in it that would "steal" CPU time from user's computers to perform tasks for clients. These programs can eat up a lot of system resources, so beware.

 

[jones_of_pbf]

Actually if someone free willingly puts his music up for download on a thing like Kazaa...then it is not stealing....

No. It's distribution.

if you want proof talk to me on AIM and I will post our conversation on here so I can make anyone look completely silly.

Wow!
I'm glad you're a Christian, cause I'd hate for you to try to be kind to someone.

 

[snoopyloopysk8a]

After all, who in their right mind would pay for a product that they could get for free off the internet?

I would. If I download the CD and burn it myself, I might still by it myself just to say that I have the real version. And besides, CD's nowadays are starting to come with music videos on them also.

 

[72_Chev_Truck]

My 2 cents, the heck with copyright law, the heck with the recording industry. Cds cost on average $15-$20 I can get a stack of 50 cds free after rebate! thats how cheap CDs are. now look at cassette tapes, like 5 times the cost to make them but yet they are cheaper because they are not in demand. I downloaded probably 4000 plus songs for free, the other 2000 i have on disc, what i bought from a store. the record industry needs to take a serious look at why people started file sharing. (because costs are too high) And what does it matter if you burn a copy, if i buy the cd from the store i buy the right to make a copy. if i get it online, whos gonna know if i burn it to disc and listen to it in my car. sorry all im a little bit bitter about the whole recording industry deal

 

[SirKenin]

It doesn't matter how cheap or expensive something is. Someone will always steal it.

 

[Alenci]

I hate KaZaA.

I hate the illegality and the crummy downloads.

Last night I had a dream that I was in my programming class and there was a KaZaA CD (CD? Go figure...) in the CD drive... so I took it out and I was pretty upset. I yelled, "WHOSE is this??" Everyone just kind of stared at me blankly, so I threw it out myself.

 

[Éclairé]

I hate KaZaA.

I hate the illegality and the crummy downloads.

Last night I had a dream that I was in my programming class and there was a KaZaA CD (CD? Go figure...) in the CD drive... so I took it out and I was pretty upset. I yelled, "WHOSE is this??" Everyone just kind of stared at me blankly, so I threw it out myself.

I think thats a sign from god that you spend too much time on your computer and the internet.

 

[ynnad777]

I have kazaa and I do use it for some things. like say I want to know what a band sounds like i download there stuff and see if I like it. If I do like it I will go out and buy the CD. I think that Kazaa id fine to use just as long as you are not sharing files. Listen when this whole thing came about talking how kazaa is "illegal" they said that as long as you are not sharing files over kazaa that they don't care that its the people sharing that are causing a problem. I don't believe it is right to get the music for free and just use it instead of buying there CD, but according to the "laws of the land" which God says to follow we have the right to download the music we just don't have the right to share it.
-Danny

 

[SlowRoasted]

i heard somewhere that as long as you get rid of the mp3 before 24 hours then its leagal, dunno if thats true or not.

 

[djnoz]

The RIAA are one of the most evil organisations around - their monopoly on the music industry is beginning to collapse and they are not happy at all. That is the root of all this.

As a result I am actively refusing to buy CDs from commercial outlets. Artists should make money from live performances, not by selling millions of CDs and filling up the pockets of record labels....

If any of you understood how the music industry REALLY worked, you wouldn't be buying CDs either. It is pit of snakes.. why throw your money there?

 

[jones_of_pbf]

The RIAA are one of the most evil organisations around - their monopoly on the music industry is beginning to collapse and they are not happy at all. That is the root of all this.

As a result I am actively refusing to buy CDs from commercial outlets. Artists should make money from live performances, not by selling millions of CDs and filling up the pockets of record labels....

If any of you understood how the music industry REALLY worked, you wouldn't be buying CDs either. It is pit of snakes.. why throw your money there?

I know that without this money, artists would not likely be able to make a living doing what they want to do.
And if you think digital music is the future, then you should understand that RIAA will still be in a position over that like they are CD's.
RIAA isn't suing people because people are ripping off disks.
It's because of the music itself.

 

[thanksjesus]

Again, let us not look at the laws man makes regarding copyright.

Its a heart issue, God looks at our hearts. Every deed will be brought into judgement wheather it is good or evil.

Jesus Christ

 

[HeatherJay]

You know guys, there are plenty of legitimate ways to download music. Not exactly free, but not outrageous either. Especially if you just want one or two songs. Try iTunes, or something like it. I deleted Kazaa and WinMX because I felt that it was stealing. There are other options.

Love, Heather

 

[DJ B.K.]

My only downloads come from mp3.com(which is down now) and other artists' or labels' sites that offer downloads. Yeah I know that the music industry is majorly corrupt but that doesn't give the right to steal them.