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Hey is anyone here familiar with Kali Linux? It is a version of Linux loaded with hundreds of hacking tools, it is free and available for download on the internet. If you download this and install it and play around with it and get good with it that is your ticket into the information security field! There are online courses out there that will teach you how to use Kali, if you want to learn ethical hacking those would be just the ticket!
 
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Hey is anyone here familiar with Kali Linux? It is a version of Linux loaded with hundreds of hacking tools, it is free and available for download on the internet. If you download this and install it and play around with it and get good with it that is your ticket into the information security field! There are online courses out there that will teach you how to use Kali, if you want to learn ethical hacking those would be just the ticket!
Well, I do not hack as I am not good at programming, even though ethical hacking is good (and used in IT), but I am planning on switching to Ubuntu or Linux Mint in 2025, as I will mainly be using my computer for running AI, using Christian Forums, and word processing.
 
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Hey is anyone here familiar with Kali Linux? It is a version of Linux loaded with hundreds of hacking tools, it is free and available for download on the internet. If you download this and install it and play around with it and get good with it that is your ticket into the information security field! There are online courses out there that will teach you how to use Kali, if you want to learn ethical hacking those would be just the ticket!
Yup! I've used it. One must be careful to be an ethical hacker and not slide into being a less than ethical hacker.

The NSA has far better tools.
 
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Yup! I've used it. One must be careful to be an ethical hacker and not slide into being a less than ethical hacker.

The NSA has far better tools.
Haha, so true. A white-hat hacker is a good hacker
 
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I played around with it back when it was Backtrack Linux. It was interesting to look around, and I tried using some of the pentesting tools on my home network without any success.

Quick question guys. Mac or PC? Linux can run on both.
PC, with a Mac you're paying extra for the brand name and supporting a company that is famous for its opposition to your ability to repair your own device and its use of planned obsolescence (or even forced obsolescence).

I might do that myself also, but I am scared of damaging my PC.
As long as your files are backed up and you have another computer with internet access to make a new recovery flash drive (and your Windows installation key), there's nothing to worry about. Worst case scenario you have to wipe everything, repartition, and reinstall Windows before installing Linux. The main thing is to ensure you have a path back to a working Windows installation if you want it.

For Windows 11, I don't know if the installation process is different. I just know the setup process is much worse than any previous version, and I had to unplug the router halfway through setting up my wife's laptop to get it to allow me to set up a normal account instead of signing in to a MS account. The whole ordeal reminded me why I switched to Linux years ago.
 
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I played around with it back when it was Backtrack Linux. It was interesting to look around, and I tried using some of the pentesting tools on my home network without any success.


PC, with a Mac you're paying extra for the brand name and supporting a company that is famous for its opposition to your ability to repair your own device and its use of planned obsolescence (or even forced obsolescence).


As long as your files are backed up and you have another computer with internet access to make a new recovery flash drive (and your Windows installation key), there's nothing to worry about. Worst case scenario you have to wipe everything, repartition, and reinstall Windows before installing Linux. The main thing is to ensure you have a path back to a working Windows installation if you want it.

For Windows 11, I don't know if the installation process is different. I just know the setup process is much worse than any previous version, and I had to unplug the router halfway through setting up my wife's laptop to get it to allow me to set up a normal account instead of signing in to a MS account. The whole ordeal reminded me why I switched to Linux years ago.
I am a little new to understanding Linux, but I know that supercomputers use it. And I dislike Apple (even MS to some point).

In the next few years when my Surface Book 2 gets old, maybe 2027, I might get a Framework Laptop, a modular laptop, and slap Linux onto it. But, I will try to put Linux onto my Microsoft laptop, by backing stuff up. Maybe dual booting might help.

 
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I am a little new to understanding Linux, but I know that supercomputers use it. And I dislike Apple (even MS to some point).

In the next few years when my Surface Book 2 gets old, maybe 2027, I might get a Framework Laptop, a modular laptop, and slap Linux onto it. But, I will try to put Linux onto my Microsoft laptop, by backing stuff up. Maybe dual booting might help.

Laptops can be problematic in that the parts used are seldom generic. It's worth a try though, and you may have great success. But laptops are where the hardware companies do a lot of innovative things to get around the limitations of the laptop format and the Linux developers have to then catch up. Linux works best on very standard components. So often it's best to build your own PC. I've done that twice. You get to have a PC your way AND compatible too. Not so terribly hard either. You can get a high efficiency power supply, a modest or fancy case, an array of possibilities for main board and processor and memory and storage and networking, and make the compromises you feel comfortable with rather than the compromises a PC manufacturer makes for you. AND you don't need the pre-loaded Windows stuff. Not for everybody. But do at least think about it.
 
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I tried to install the new version of Ubuntu on my computer a few months ago to dual boot with Windows 11. This did not work out well. I could get linux to run, but it would not stay installed on a partition. I looked it up and some other people were complaining that Microsoft might be trying to stop dual booting on Windows 11 with some kind of monopolistic strategy. I also experienced some problems with Windows after trying to install the new version of Ubuntu like my clock messing up and I accidentally deleted my sound card driver. I had to do a system restore, so if you are trying to dual boot make sure you do make a system restore point before you try to install.
 
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I tried to install the new version of Ubuntu on my computer a few months ago to dual boot with Windows 11. This did not work out well. I could get linux to run, but it would not stay installed on a partition. I looked it up and some other people were complaining that Microsoft might be trying to stop dual booting on Windows 11 with some kind of monopolistic strategy. I also experienced some problems with Windows after trying to install the new version of Ubuntu like my clock messing up and I accidentally deleted my sound card driver. I had to do a system restore, so if you are trying to dual boot make sure you do make a system restore point before you try to install.
MS had a history of not playing nice with Linux or the other boot options available. But then for a while they tried to play nice. My solution is just skip the MS and do a straight Linux, and have another computer available for when I absolutely have to run Windows. That’s pretty rare.
 
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MS had a history of not playing nice with Linux or the other boot options available. But then for a while they tried to play nice. My solution is just skip the MS and do a straight Linux, and have another computer available for when I absolutely have to run Windows. That’s pretty rare.
An alternative is to create a Windows virtual machine on the Linux installation. The setup can be tricky if you want to do extra things like have a shared folder between your host and guest, but for equivalent functionality to dual boot, a VM will do the job for the vast majority of people. This also lets Windows think it's the only OS on the disk, so it doesn't give you trouble with things like fighting over which partition is the boot partition on your main system.
 
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Laptops can be problematic in that the parts used are seldom generic. It's worth a try though, and you may have great success. But laptops are where the hardware companies do a lot of innovative things to get around the limitations of the laptop format and the Linux developers have to then catch up. Linux works best on very standard components. So often it's best to build your own PC. I've done that twice. You get to have a PC your way AND compatible too. Not so terribly hard either. You can get a high efficiency power supply, a modest or fancy case, an array of possibilities for main board and processor and memory and storage and networking, and make the compromises you feel comfortable with rather than the compromises a PC manufacturer makes for you. AND you don't need the pre-loaded Windows stuff. Not for everybody. But do at least think about it.
I'll get a Framework Laptop 13 or 16 in the next few years.
 
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I'll get a Framework Laptop 13 or 16 in the next few years.
I just discovered this: Purism– Librem 14

It uses Coreboot, a project I have been following for a few years, which is a substitute for BIOS. Looks like a good option. But I won't buy one until my current laptop dies.
 
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I just discovered this: Purism– Librem 14

It uses Coreboot, a project I have been following for a few years, which is a substitute for BIOS. Looks like a good option. But I won't buy one until my current laptop dies.
I'm a Purism customer and have enjoyed most of the things I've gotten from them, but I would caution anyone looking into their products to do their due diligence first. There are usually quirks or compromises that have been made in the interest of privacy or security, and sometimes just as a manufacturing flaw, that you should be aware of. That said, the company is doing a lot of good work for promoting and developing free software through their products.

I honestly don't think Framework offers as much new to the laptop market as they say. Their "modules" are USB-C adapters in a bulky form factor. At least they focus on making their laptops easy to repair, but the availability of parts and the commitment to using screws instead of adhesive is about all they offer. It's not a "modular laptop." I would still recommend it to most people, just with the knowledge that its best quality is that it can be repaired instead of trashed if the power button goes bad, unlike many modern laptops that make the power button a key on a membrane keyboard plastic-welded to the case that will be impossible to replace 5 years after the manufacture date. Ask me how I know.

A more extreme, actually modular laptop would be the MNT Reform: MNT Research GmbH

This one has schematics available for all components, the CPU resides on a System-on-Module (PCB that plugs into the motherboard), and virtually every component uses free and open source software. It makes some serious compromises to be modular and to use free software, but for the enthusiast these aren't too much of a problem.
 
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