Justifying Abortion

[Subduction Zone]

Thankyou for confirming that you do not know the answer to my two questions so obfuscation is the best you can do to save yourself from ridicule.

I know the answers to your questions, for some reason you refuse to ask them again.

 

[artie annie]

Technically it is not. Neither biologically nor legally. Those are simply facts. Though abortions such as those in your image are tragic they represent a very very small percentage of all abortions. Such late abortions are almost always done due to severe medical conditions that make them necessary. We don't know anything about that fetus except for the fact that it was aborted. That makes it all but worthless in a debate. It is an example of emotional rather than rational opposition to abortion.

That fetus may have been dead already. Or doomed to die a painful death soon after birth. Sometimes abortion is a kindness.

24 weeks is not a late abortion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course it doesn't breath, you idiot. IT IS DEAD. Anyone who is dead doesn't breath.

That was a dodge. You knew the answer to the question but since it refutes your beliefs you could not let yourself answer it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

24 weeks is not a late abortion.

Actually it is . After only 21 weeks one is seeing only 1.2% of all abortions. That is three weeks past that date so it would be reasonable far less than one percent of all abortions. That is a late term abortion:

CDCs Abortion Surveillance System FAQs | CDC

 

[Subduction Zone]

More baloney.

Really? Then why can't you ask your questions politely and properly? It would be so easy to show that I was wrong. Your questions were answered, but you did not like the answer.

 

[artie annie]

Now there is a beautiful little IT.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So more irrational arguments. Biologically it is not a baby. Legally it is not a baby. Even biblically it is not a baby:

The Fetus in Jewish Law | My Jewish Learning

 

[Skreeper]

Now there is a beautiful little IT.

I don't know what your particular denomination believes on where the 'soul' of aborted fetuses end up. Most believe they end up in heaven so I wonder what the problem is?

They get an express pass straight to eternal happiness. Isn't that wonderful?

 

[artie annie]

• The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies cannot feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literature shows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier. Two common methods are used to measure the age of an unborn baby: Probable post-fertilization age (PPF, used by embryologists) measures the age of the unborn baby from the actual date of conception, while gestational age measures from the first day of the mother’s last menstrual period (LMP, approx. two weeks before conception). Medical practitioners have been using the latter method as standard medical practice for decades, and for the purpose of this paper ages refer to gestational age unless otherwise indicated.
• A comprehensive review of the scientific literature[1] including neural development, psychology of pain sensation, and moral implications of fetal pain, concludes that unborn babies may experience pain as early as 12 weeks.
  The review notes that neural connections from periphery to brain are functionally complete after 18 weeks.
  “Nevertheless, we no longer view fetal pain (as a core, immediate, sensation) in a gestational window of 12–24 weeks as impossible based on the neuroscience.”

 

[artie annie]

In contrast, those who think abortion should be generally legal often use the word “fetus,” a clinical term derived from a Latin word meaning “offspring” or “newly delivered.”[7] As explained by Dorland’s Illustrated Medical Dictionary, a fetus is:

the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, after major structures have been outlined, in humans from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.[8]

Simply put, when referring to humans, the words “fetus” and “fetal” apply from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.[9] [10] Yet, numerous major news organizations have misapplied these terms to both before and after this period.[11] [12] [13] [14][15] [16]

 

[Subduction Zone]

• The old, uninformed notions that unborn and newborn babies cannot feel pain are refuted by a growing body of scientific evidence. The published scientific literature shows that unborn babies can experience pain at 20 weeks gestational age (20 weeks LMP, since Last Menstrual Period, the fetal age estimate used by most obstetricians) or earlier. Two common methods are used to measure the age of an unborn baby: Probable post-fertilization age (PPF, used by embryologists) measures the age of the unborn baby from the actual date of conception, while gestational age measures from the first day of the mother’s last menstrual period (LMP, approx. two weeks before conception). Medical practitioners have been using the latter method as standard medical practice for decades, and for the purpose of this paper ages refer to gestational age unless otherwise indicated.
• A comprehensive review of the scientific literature[1] including neural development, psychology of pain sensation, and moral implications of fetal pain, concludes that unborn babies may experience pain as early as 12 weeks.
  The review notes that neural connections from periphery to brain are functionally complete after 18 weeks.
  “Nevertheless, we no longer view fetal pain (as a core, immediate, sensation) in a gestational window of 12–24 weeks as impossible based on the neuroscience.”

And twenty weeks is very late when it comes to abortions. Probably less than two percent of all abortions. That late and it was probably done out of medical necessity.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In contrast, those who think abortion should be generally legal often use the word “fetus,” a clinical term derived from a Latin word meaning “offspring” or “newly delivered.”[7] As explained by Dorland’s Illustrated Medical Dictionary, a fetus is:

the unborn offspring in the postembryonic period, after major structures have been outlined, in humans from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.[8]

Simply put, when referring to humans, the words “fetus” and “fetal” apply from nine weeks after fertilization until birth.[9] [10] Yet, numerous major news organizations have misapplied these terms to both before and after this period.[11] [12] [13] [14][15] [16]

So a fetus is not a baby. Thank you.

 

[Skreeper]

If your goal is to reduce the amount of abortions being performed then banning abortion is not the path forward. The general consensus based on empirical data is that banning or severely limiting abortion services inceases the amount of deaths and injuries from unsafe abortions but does not reduce the overall amount of abortions performed.

You can read more on this from Amnesty International or the Human Rights Watch:

What Life is Like When Abortion is Banned

Here are the basic facts about abortion that you should know

 

[artie annie]

I discovered later that few doctors perform abortions for very long. Though the women who want abortions are told that their pregnancy is just a blob of tissue, the abortionist knows exactly what he or she is doing, because the abortionist must count the body parts after each procedure

 

[artie annie]

“For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; marvelous are Your works and that my soul knows well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed, and in Your book they all were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them” (Psalm 139:13-16, NKJV).

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:5, NIV).

 

[artie annie]

“When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit…[saying] ‘As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy'” (Luke 1:41, 44, NIV).

“While they were there, the time came for the baby to born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son” (Luke 2:6-7, NIV)

 

[artie annie]

“Behold, children are a gift of the LORD; the fruit of the womb is a reward” (Psalm 127:3, NASV).

 

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