Justifying Abortion

[Hetta]

The truth is that there is only two ways to end a pregnancy - vaginal birth or c-section and killing the baby prior to vaginal birth doesn't make it safer for the mother.

You forgot miscarriage which makes anything else you say irrelevant as you don't know this one simple fact.

 

[Hetta]

Yes it is truth,nobody owes you anything,if express a belief it is your right to do but it does not create any obligation on anyone elses part to change your mind

I take it that English isn't your first language. That's fine, it isn't mine either, but regardless none of this makes sense as I'm not asking anyone to change my mind.

 

[Hetta]

What is single got to do with it? It doesn't.

This is why I'm so thankful we have a loving and forgiving God. It's sad that this happened. My concern is with her soul. Can't turn back the clock and change things. I pray that she did have other children and they were healthy. You see, it won't be me she has to face on judgment day. It will be God. Then she'll be define for her actions.
If she has sin in her life, she should repent and place her trust in Christ. Because He is the only way to the father.

You should be concerned only for your own soul.

You've never had children, and that has a lot to do with your casual dismissal of the grief people feel when a pregnancy trauma occurs, nor do you know how frequently it occurs. I've met and known many women who have been through terrible experiences with miscarriage, and stillbirth, and I've known personally of women died from pregnancy-related issues, and died in childbirth. You don't have a clue about the topic you are discussing.

 

[Tull]

I take it that English isn't your first language. That's fine, it isn't mine either, but regardless none of this makes sense as I'm not asking anyone to change my mind.

When you have no point or arguement then its grammar Nazi time....but then you are a "seeker" must be nice to be a seeker because then you are not accountable to anything because hey,you're just looking

 

[Tull]

You don't have a clue about the topic you are discussing.

Neither do you,less than 1% of abortion are performed to save a womans life,the rest are because she had sex and neither her or the man took any precautions to avoid pregnancy and decided to kill the results

 

[Tull]

You should be concerned only for your own soul.

Now this we can agree on because that is what we will give an account for.

I oppose abortion for no other reason than its murder of a child the same reason I oppose murder period,the soul of the one doing it is their matter between them and God.

 

[smithed64]

That´s good to hear.

Now how do you know that abortion is not one of God´s way of using parents to "call a child home"?
I mean, after all, we are hearing that God eliminates nations when at first glance it looks like other people and nations eliminate them?

Your right God did have Israel to eliminate other nations. Because Israel was trying to become a nation. Warfare of that type has been going on. Since before Israel even started their nation building. God choose Israel, He protected Israel, and He wanted Israel to become a nation so He lead them in the direction of the promise land and He told them to destroy the enemy. Enemies of God and enemies of Israel.

Infants are no ones enemy.
They are protected by God, and He will let them enter into Heaven.
That's calling them home.

Good, so there´s nothing to worry about and nothing for us to control.

No, there's nothing for me to worry about, nor any other Born Again child of God. We know He's in control. And we thank Him for that.
Those who don't repent and place their trust in Christ. They are in rebellion against God...they have something to worry about....It's a dangerous thing to be in the hands of and Angry God.

 

[smithed64]

You should be concerned only for your own soul.

You've never had children, and that has a lot to do with your casual dismissal of the grief people feel when a pregnancy trauma occurs, nor do you know how frequently it occurs. I've met and known many women who have been through terrible experiences with miscarriage, and stillbirth, and I've known personally of women died from pregnancy-related issues, and died in childbirth. You don't have a clue about the topic you are discussing.

I have 3 wonderful children, 3 outstanding grandchildren..And wouldn't have put there life out like a candle for any reason. Because there isn't any.

Your first statement , incorrect.As a Child of God, it's my honor to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ, too as many people I can,before He calls me home. It's also a duty, Hie last command was for us to spread the Gospel throughtout the world.

I also don't casually dismiss the grieve that these women, are having and going thru. I also don't casually write off the children who lost their lives either. I agree case like you spoke of happen. I even mentioned that in the original post. That there are those very rare times that they happen.
YOu speak as if it happens every day and all the time. Yet,the mortallity rate for children is quite low. the infant mortality rate was 5.82 infant deaths per 1,000
live births. It's 5.82 too many for me..but it happens.
So, I'm not diagreeing with you that bad things happen and a mother may lose her child or the mother dies also.
Just don't agree with killing a child, that could be otherwise saved.

 

[quatona]

Infants are no ones enemy.
They are protected by God,

Except when they aren´t.

and He will let them enter into Heaven.
That's calling them home.

...so that´s what happens to aborted fetusses.

 

[Alla27]

It's a fetus.

... it's a fetus.

can fetus feel horrible pain when he or she is aborted?

 

[Alla27]

There are situations wherein the child/fetus has some disease that makes it so that the child will be born, suffer agony for a few hours or days, and then die. Perhaps women and families should have the option to terminate a pregnancy to spare the child and family from this pain.

by causing another pain during abortion?

 

[Moral Orel]

the rest are because she had sex and neither her or the man took any precautions to avoid pregnancy and decided to kill the results

This could only be true if condoms and birth control are 100% effective and everyone has the education necessary to understand how people get pregnant, and how to avoid a pregnancy. Since none of these conditions are true, your statement is false.

Also, it's difficult to be responsible with your reproductive health when you're being raped.

 

[Hetta]

When you have no point or arguement then its grammar Nazi time....but then you are a "seeker" must be nice to be a seeker because then you are not accountable to anything because hey,you're just looking

This post didn't make any sense either.

 

[smithed64]

Except when they aren´t.

...so that´s what happens to aborted fetusses.

Dont get the first part. I already stated that infants isn't anyone's enemy...I'm guessing you agreeing?

They die.

 

[Tull]

You don't know what a grammar Nazi is ? from now on your post make no sense because I disagree with them,fair enough.

This post didn't make any sense either.

 

[Tull]

This could only be true if condoms and birth control are 100% effective and everyone has the education necessary to understand how people get pregnant,

So now people are so stupid they don't know what causes pregnancy.

Also, it's difficult to be responsible with your reproductive health when you're being raped.

You are correct on both accounts, in the less than 1% of situations where they apply.

 

[Moral Orel]

So now people are so stupid they don't know what causes pregnancy.

Yes. Yes they are. Pregnancy can happen without penetration, and a lot of people don't know that. There are a lot of urban myths about how to prevent a pregnancy too, like "you can't get pregnant on your first time" and "drinking a lot of Mountain Dew will keep you from conceiving" (this one is my favorite because it's true that people really think this).

Too many people that are opposed to abortion are also opposed to proper sexual education in school even though it is proven to lower teenage pregnancy rates. Kids are stupid, they make up stupid ways to not get pregnant, and their stupid friends believe them and think they are being safe. I'm not saying that's your stance, but it is a problem that exists. People are stupid. Very stupid. And they need to be educated more than what we assume is common sense. Comprehensive sex ed in school cuts pregnancies down by about 50%. So where it doesn't exist, or sex ed is "abstinence only" you have a lot of pregnancies resulting from people being exactly as ignorant as I've described.

I responded to your post because you demonized everyone who has an abortion for reasons other than "life of the mother" as being willfully irresponsible, and that is not true. Ignorance is more rampant than you think.

You are correct on both accounts, in the less than 1% of situations where they apply.

1% is not accurate. And a percentage diminishes how big of a problem pregnancy from rape actually is. There are over 30,000 pregnancies from rape each year.

 

[Tull]

Well I guess it realy doesn't matter,abortion is legal up to the time of birth,if you are of the opinion that there will be no consequences for the 1.21 million or so abortions performed in America every year and that it has no negative effect on society then so be it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If a nation persists in rebellion against Yahweh and especially if a nation oppresses and kills the most vulnerable and innocent then Yahweh will destroy that nation.

Yeah look at China lol. Do you seriously believe that? Have you ever seen "Yahweh" destroy a nation?

Or is that the sort of thing that you believe used to happen and could happen again?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't know for sure. All I know is that Yahweh has destroyed plenty of nations in the past and won't hesitate to do so again if we do not fear him and give him glory.

What kind of god destroys nations for not "fearing" him or "giving him glory"?

That's a genuine question...what are the words you'd use to describe such a creature?