Justification Through Baptisim?

[Archangel]

I have a question.

If Justification comes through Baptisim, then:

1) Why did Jesus not baptise anyone? [John 4:2]

2) Why did Christ tell the criminal on the cross that he would be with him in paradise? [Luke 23:43]

3) Why is baptisim left out in many verses that explain salvation? [Romans 1:16]

4) Why did Paul say that he wasnt sent to baptise but to preach the gospel? [1 Cor. 1:17]

5) Why did Cornelius and those with him recieve the Holy Spirit before they were baptised? [Acts 10:44-48]

 

[ydouxist]

You mean you have several questions.
All them good ones.

 

[Archangel]

lol yea

 

[Oblio]

1) Why did Jesus not baptise anyone? [John 4:2]

To this he gave the Church, and He sanctified the waters of the earth through His Theophany (Baptism in the Jordan) that we may be cleansed through those same waters in a Baptism for the remission of sins.

 

[Oblio]

2) Why did Christ tell the criminal on the cross that he would be with him in paradise? [Luke 23:43]

To show us that He will save who He will save. Certainly there are many countless saved martyrs through the Baptism of Blood.

 

[Oblio]

3) Why is baptisim left out in many verses that explain salvation? [Romans 1:16]

Are you equating salvation with the Western Protestant positional view of justification ?

 

[Oblio]

4) Why did Paul say that he wasnt sent to baptise but to preach the gospel? [1 Cor. 1:17]

His charisma was teaching. Many gifts and works we each do in the Church, some one thing, some another. Perhaps it was because he did not want certain Church members to fall into pride by being Baptised by St. Paul, after all it is God that illumines us through Baptism, not the Bishop or Preist.

 

[Archangel]

Not sure. Im just wondering why baptisim is mentioned alongside salvation

 

[Oblio]

5) Why did Cornelius and those with him recieve the Holy Spirit before they were baptised? [Acts 10:44-48]
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The exception does not prove the rule.

 

[billwald]

Because justification ISN't through baptism.

 

[PaladinValer]

I have a question.

I think you mean questions, but go ahead.

If Justification comes through Baptisim, then:

1) Why did Jesus not baptise anyone? [John 4:2]

1. That wasn't what He was meant to do. We all know what that was.
2. Just because He didn't Baptize Himself doesn't mean we are not regerated from it. Fallacy of Appealing to Ignorance, as well as Fallacy of Hasty Generalization.

2) Why did Christ tell the criminal on the cross that he would be with him in paradise? [Luke 23:43]

The Church wasn't in existance yet. The Church was instituted by God. And Jesus told the Church to Baptize. And Baptism (actually Confirmation, but only for those Baptized at an immature age had to wait; the mature adults were Baptized, chrismed, and Confirmed all in one step) is the entrance into the Church.

3) Why is baptisim left out in many verses that explain salvation? [Romans 1:16]

Why are many witnesses called to testify in a trial? Because each has something to contribute. Each offers elements that, when pieced together, form (one hopes) the truth.

Therefore, just because many/most don't mention Baptism doesn't mean it isn't important or even vital to salvation. That's again the Fallacy of Ignorance, Fallacy of Hasty Generalization, and also Fallacy of Appealing to Masses.

4) Why did Paul say that he wasnt sent to baptise but to preach the gospel? [1 Cor. 1:17]

Because he decided that his primary mission was to preach. Also, you've misinterpreted why he didn't baptize much (and he did baptize for he was a bishop); he didn't because too many Christians at the time were not entirely understanding what baptism was; they thought baptism was in various names, but it wasn't. That is the proper context.

5) Why did Cornelius and those with him recieve the Holy Spirit before they were baptised? [Acts 10:44-48]

1. Cornelius was already a believer in Jesus
2. Just because he received the Holy Spirit didn't mean he accepted it in the orthodox fashion. Fallacy of Equivocation. Only after Baptism/Confirmation would he have accepted it with proper understanding and thus would have been truly entered into the Church.

 

[john14_20]

Because justification ISN't through baptism.

Ahh, you took the words right out of my mouth!

 

[Raithlin]

Because justification ISN't through baptism.

Well said.

We are saved by grace, and justified by faith. See below (which is in context of circumcision, but can be applied to any works, IMO)

14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? 15“We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

 

[Tetzel]

3) Why is baptisim left out in many verses that explain salvation? [Romans 1:16]

This begs the question, why is baptism mentioned in so many verses and in Christ's command to go forth and baptize

 

[graysparrow]

Along with why Jesus did not baptise himself (or actually we have no record of that, let's be humble) another question is indeed necesary to be truthful

Why did Jesus accepted baptism? Jesus gave the answer to John the Baptist.

Now, baptism is not a ticket to heaven if done with an unrepentant heart. But then the question would be a pseudoproblem as that baptism is a void one.

 

[Mark Downham]

Paedo- Baptism (Child baptism) of the children of those in the Lord Jesus Christ is symbolic and prophetic in terms of Justification - for others it is an empty ritual with no soteriologiocal content or intrinsic meaning.

Adult Baptism is symbolic and prophetic declaration - an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual work of justification.