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Also consistent with what I understand about Catholic beliefs.Defens0rFidei said:Assuming that they dont fall from grace, yes.
We are but this is the P/R/E forum. Viewpoints on this issue vary.ej said:I thought we were discussing Christian beliefs
There is a difference between being assured of salvation and achieving it. Our salvation will be complete when Christ returns.This is NOT an attack, but a genuine question: how can you have achieved salvation whilst you are still alive on Earth, and Jesus has not yet come again to judge us?
So you agree with me that we WILL BE savedKnight said:There is a difference between being assured of salvation and achieving it. Our salvation will be complete when Christ returns.
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I'm not going on my definition, I'm going on yoursKnight said:There is a difference between being assured of salvation and achieving it. Our salvation will be complete when Christ returns.
I'll refer you to my original post on this thread. I believe this is explained there.
There is a difference between being assured of salvation and achieving it. Our salvation will be complete when Christ returns.
You said both these things and I interpreted them as contradicting each other... the first one I agree with. I think you'd call it 'the Catholic viewpoint'No, one who is justified stands right before God. They are saved.
The same situation occurred in the Scriptures, execept that the justified person died almost immediately by suffocation, not a bus. Was he saved or not?Defens0rFidei said:What is someone becomes justified and is then hit by a bus? Saved?
Apologies... I was trying to ascertain the viewpoint here... I don't think there was any debate... mainly because I pretty much agree with Knight now that he's clarified things for meeldermike said:There are several views of slavation in the Christian faith. If you want to debate them, please do so in the proper forum. There is no answer "in general" to your question unless you are intrested in a specific denominations view.
Let's not debate soteriological views as if there is only 2. The question is a general question and has been answered as far as it can be without a debate.
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