Juster on the dangers in the HR movement.

[rick357]

Right, with say Dawkins that is an issue, but he's really just an opinion-guy, he doesn't create medicine or write theories of gravity, language, migration-patterns or what you have you. But if a mathematician is Jewish or Muslim or atheist or Catholic, no skin off my back.

Yes true analytical science with no opinionated conclusion is a vacum untill one reads it and makes their own conclusion.
So saying Yeshua quoted The Book of Deuteronomy more than any other is analytical...saying therfore it is the most important book of scripture is just my opinion.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Yes true analytical science with no opinionated conclusion is a vacum untill one reads it and makes their own conclusion.
So saying Yeshua quoted The Book of Deuteronomy more than any other is analytical...saying therfore it is the most important book of scripture is just my opinion.

Indeed.

If someone points out Yeshua quoted Deuteronomy more than other scriptures, is that true, regardless of whether he is a Christian ?

Of course. The problem is when people use religion as a measure of whether you are right, which is purely partisan and obscuring truth and critical thinking. It's actually close to racism in degree of inobjectivity.

 

[rick357]

Just one more example:
Analysis: Yeshua healed on the Sabbath
Conclusion: Yeshua ignored the Law?
2nd conclusion: Yeshua ignored tradition
Further analysis: Yeshua says sabbath is for man...but his Father countinues to work untill now
My conclusion: The Father had healed on the sabbath...Yeshua had done no work

So with Juster or any other accept analysis be weary of conclusions.

 

[AbbaLove]

"Do you really trust the teaching of these academic intellectuals when it's questionable if they're even a Believer in Mashiach Yeshua as God the Son?" (previous reply by AbbaLove posted by Hoshiyya and his subsequent reply)

What's the problem ? When research is presented, do you then ask if the scientist is Christian ?

Carefully, look again and you'll see it reads: "a Believer in Mashiach Yeshua as God the Son." I want to believe that like Christians that a Messianic Sephardic Spenglerian non-trinitarian-Messianic believes in "Mashiach Yeshua as God the Son" until told otherwise.

When academic research is presented by highly educated scientists who advocate evolution do you ever wonder if those scientists believe the Torah is the inspired Word of HaShem/Adonai?

Or do you assume because they are highly educated and respected by their highly educated peers that it makes little difference whether or not they are a Believer in the Torah (e.g. Genesis) as the inspired, trustworthy, faithfully recorded Words of HaShem/Adonai.

Thankfully, you're not prejudiced toward Christians.

 

[Hoshiyya]

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When academic research is presented by highly educated scientists who advocate evolution do you ever wonder if those scientists believe the Torah is the inspired Word of HaShem/Adonai?

Or do you assume because they are highly educated and respected by their highly educated peers that it makes little difference whether or not they are a Believer in the Torah (e.g. Genesis) as the inspired, trustworthy, faithfully recorded Words of HaShem/Adonai.

If a person is Christian or Messianic or whatever does not affect the truth of his statements. If a Satanist says 2+2=4, then guess what, he's right. Truth is truth, no matter who says it.

 

[AbbaLove]

Your previous comment: "What's the problem ? When research is presented, do you then ask if the scientist is Christian (or Messianic) ?"​

Perhaps you inadvertently implied that only Christians believe in the complete Jewish Bible as the inspired word of HaShem/Adonai.

The inadvertent assumption that "a Believer in Mashiach Yeshua as God the Son" applies only to a "Christian" which is a high compliment, but as you just indicated not only Christians, but also Messianics

Carefully, look again at my initial post that you referenced and you'll see it reads: "a Believer in Mashiach Yeshua as God the Son." I believe that like Christians that a Messianic Sephardic Spenglerian non-trinitarian-Messianic also believes in "Mashiach Yeshua as God the Son"

It's a compliment for you to have inadvertently inserted Christian when you could have just as easily inserted Messianic.

 

[Truthfrees]

Being freed from the consequences of the law means we are not judged by the law. Therefore the law is a matter of conscience informed by the Holy Spirit.

The law of faith is law as well....Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all walked by this law.

 

[Danoh]

If a person is Christian or Messianic or whatever does not affect the truth of his statements. If a Satanist says 2+2=4, then guess what, he's right. Truth is truth, no matter who says it.

Lol, how true. Once, after reading a biography on Al Capone, I related to a sister in the Lord, "I have hand it to ol Al; he was an organizational genius."

"How can you say such a thing!" she asked, in obvious shock.

So, spot on H; truth is truth no matter who spouts it or who manifests it!

Thus, while many within Israel that day so long ago saw the Christ as "look at him - hanging out with, with, with - a sinner!" - He had known the truth of the matter as to said "sinner" - "in as much as he too is a son of Abraham!" - Luke 19:9.

"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep" [the disenfranchised] "of the house of Israel," Matt. 15:24.