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The Lady Kate said:
One takes skill, forethought, and patience... the other is a parlor trick for someone omnipotent. Personally, I'm more impressed with the former... no flashy tricks, no need to impress...
Excellent point that I mention rather often. I'm in awe over the age and majesty of the universe and Earth. I go to a museum and touch bones or rocks that are millions or billions of years old, and my jaw drops and how impressive that is. Looking into the universe you see the incredible size and beauty of the stars and galaxies, some that are hundreds of thousands of light years across. An Old universe is one where God takes his time and patience, and watches the wonder of that creation unfold.

Whipping something together in 6 days, and making it look billions of years older isn't very majestic to me. In fact, it's rather deceptive. I have fruit older than 6 days.
 
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Evolution occurs in biological organism, Angels are not biological organisms. It's helpful to have a clue what you're talking about before shooting your mouth off.

No. No one has a clue about Heaven. At least not the way youput it. God created us in His image. Do you know what an angle looks like. No@!!!!! Has anyone everseen one. Not many!!! Therefore, don't yell at me when you know no more bout the body of an angle than I do!!!!
 
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Everloving said:
God created not only the Earth during creation, but also Heaven. Did angles evolve too?? Or do they break the rules of your evolution. Or is that yet another missing link in the half done puzzle of evolutioen.
The creation and fall of the angels isn't even mentioned in Genesis.
 
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Everloving said:
Anybody wanna answer this??? Let's hear evolutions side of the creation of Heaven.
First you have to show us where it sad God created the Heaven we commonly refer to, and angels in Genesis. In case you haven't noticed, angels' creation or their fall from Heaven aren't mentioned in the OT.
 
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Everloving said:
You must not have read my full post.
Sure I did. You said:
The mixing of these allels mixed with the spreading of people after the Tower of Babel caused the differences in skin... Sure, interfamily marraige has caused some mutation in genes, but there is no good mutation I've ever heard of. Only degenerating mutation.
The process you describe for creating new skin colours (read: the mixing of genes) after Babel is the same process that occurs today in "interfamily marriage." (And is a type of evolution whether you want to admit it or not -- most creationists seem happy to.) You seem to be admitting here that any new skin colours that come about through the mixing of two families is a "degeneration". If you believe otherwise, then please clarify yourself, lest you be accused of practicing eugenics!
 
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Everloving said:
No. No one has a clue about Heaven. At least not the way youput it. God created us in His image. Do you know what an angle looks like. No@!!!!! Has anyone everseen one. Not many!!! Therefore, don't yell at me when you know no more bout the body of an angle than I do!!!!
An angle is a geometric concept. An Angel is a messenger for God.

And what do you think being made in God's image means? Is God an old guy sitting on clouds with a white beard?
 
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Jase said:
Exactly. So a literal Genesis has no bearing on the Gospel.
I just think it is absurd to reject the gospel on grounds that one must first know how old the earth is. I can't think of a more compelling or convincing argument then the love of God as there is not much purpose in evolving from pond scum.
 
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Everloving said:
No. No one has a clue about Heaven. At least not the way youput it. God created us in His image. Do you know what an angle looks like. No@!!!!! Has anyone everseen one. Not many!!! Therefore, don't yell at me when you know no more bout the body of an angle than I do!!!!
No one has a clue about heaven? Angels (not 'angles') have bodies? What the heck is happening in American churches today? Is there no teaching happening? Granted you're only 15 so I guess its not all your fault. I've already told you that evolution occurs in biological organism, angels are not biological organism, so they do not evolve. What my not having seen an angel has to do with it is anyone's guess.
 
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original OP: was just wondering if the bible mentions anything about it and could it have anything to do with the tower of babel??

my reply:

Its called evolution. And haven't you posted this on another thread somewhere??

And when groups of people are isolated from others, usually by geography, they will develop, over a very long period of time (its called evolution) different characteristics.

Don't forget people could only travel as fast as they could walk, and anyway, tended to stay within their own tribe's area. Movements to other areas were usually caused by pressure of population or lack of food. And there weren't many people around anyway in the beginning, so groups were pretty isolated.

Nothing to do with the Tower of Babel.

Nothing there about wishing for "a Biblical reply". I gave a precise answer.

So stop getting at me about not "replying Biblically". I wasn't asked to.
 
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No. No one has a clue about Heaven.

No one has a clue about Heaven? Oops, sorry about that St. Paul and the rest of ye Saints.

God created us in His image.

Now, what exactly does that mean? Is God physical? If so, are males or females closer to his image? I would venture to say that this is in spiritual terms.

Do you know what an angle looks like.

Yes.
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An angel, on the other hand, is a spiritual being, not biological, and therefore not subject to evolution.

The rest of the people on here may be ready to let you off based on your age, but I will not. There is no excuse for not learning fully about a subject before going off and pontificating about it.
 
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Everloving said:
Color is a gene, just like anything else. The allels (sp) within the genes deside color. Many creationist I have learned from believe that Adam and Eve were darker skinned. Somewhere between black and white. The mixing of these allels mixed with the spreading of people after the Tower of Babel caused the differences in skin. They also determine many characteristic. Evolution in skincolor or anything else is bull. If I get a really bad sunburn or get really tan, as does my husband, will my children be sunburned or tan?? NO!!!! They will be what our genes, passed onto them, tell them to be. Sure, interfamily marraige has caused some mutation in genes, but there is no good mutation I've ever heard of. Only degenerating mutation. So, using this as proof of evolution means that we are degenerating forms a frogs and other such creatures.


The first intelligent answer I have heard!!!
 
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Jase said:
It doesn't contradict the Bible, it contradicts your interpretation of the bible. Considering there are thousands of interpretations, why is yours the only correct one? The Bible wasn't written in English, so the moment you read your KJV, or NIV, or whatever, you are putting an interpretation on the Bible that was not there in the original. Genesis in Hebrew reads much different than in English.



They didn't lead to the wrong answer, they led to the right one. Science only gets better. A 6,000 year old Earth and global flood were disproven by creationists hundreds of years ago. Science has only gotten more accurate since then.


And yet, many scientists are Christians. Scientists have no hidden evil agenda to disprove the Bible. Science is the study of the natural universe - not an ancient text and theology.

And you are sending the message to believers that Christianity is full of ignorant people who hold to ancient ideas that have since been disproven. Augustine pointed out that if Christians are going to claim such ridiculous things like a literal 6,000 Earth or global flood in the face of unbelievers who are very knowledgable in those fields, it makes the important things like the ressurection just as silly looking (my paraphrase). Holding to a literal Genesis only damages Christianity. It doesn't help it.

Considering there are 35,000 sects of Christianity who disagree on some aspect of Christian doctrine or the Bible, it's pretty obvious that the Bible is often times ambiguous anyway.

And the message you are sending is that Christianity is full of ignorant people and none of it is worth the time of day. What unbeliever wants to associate with a religion where its members are still claiming the Sun revolves around the Earth or the Earth is only 6,000 years old?

There is a difference between being capable of creating the Earth in 6 days, and actually doing it in 6 days. Theistic evolutionists agree with the former, but reject the latter.

The Bible never says God got it perfect the first time. It only says it was good. Which merely means it fit God's purpose. And considering according to you, God exterminated the entire planet except 8 people, and then felt bad for doing it, the Bible shows God didn't get it right the first time.

Perhaps you should define what it means to "get it right", since by the literalist approach, the entire world is condemned by sin because one man ate a piece of fruit, and 90% of all humanity that ever lived or will lived will suffer eternally in Hell. That's "getting it right"?

And you think people are going to instead become Christian when you tell them the Earth is only 6,000 years old and a global flood with zero evidence destroyed the entire Earth 4300 years ago?

God never said the universe was perfect.

It is a fact that things adapt. Even most creationists accept this. It is rather telling if you don't. Where do you think antibiotics or different strains of viruses come from?

In Hebrew, Adam isn't a name. Adam is the hebrew word for man or mankind.

Why not? Maybe God thought it would be more impressive to put lots of time and care into the formation of the Earth instead of whipping it together in an instant. The Universe and Earth are far more impressive when they are ancient.

Why are there no Biblical accounts of nuclear fusion or gravity? The Bible doesn't mention everything.

Why would they be mentioned? The Bible serves a very specific purpose. It is not a scientific recount of the entire history of life on Earth.

No, but they are still hominids, and ancestors of modern day humans.

Despite there being millions upon millions of species of animals, fish, insects, etc., why doesn't the Bible mention Adam naming any of them?

How do you know what Adam spoke? The author of Genesis wasn't born when Adam existed. Your entire theory is based on the assumption that the author was stating word for word everything Adam said.

This is true. Read up on linguistics. Our modern languages are evolved from the IndoEuropean languages. Why do you think so many romance languages are similar? Why do you think English borrowed tons of words from French, Spanish, Italian, German etc.? They evolved and developed from each other.

You are treading on thin ground by claiming it isn't possible for God to have done it any other way.

Ah, the old Hell threat. So much for God "getting it right" huh? I'm convinced Hell is a catholic invention. God is loving and good, not evil and vindictive.



Why are so many languages similar? Because we all origianlly spoke the same language. God scattered people thorughout hte earth and confused their languages. God is loving- but if their is no hell- what then is the punishment for not accepting the saviour? Why bother if there is no hell. Lucifer was banished from heaven- he is in hell. Those who do not accept Jesus go there as well. However- Jesus took the penalty for our sins.
 
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Color is a gene, just like anything else. The allels (sp) within the genes deside color.

there is a thread on arctic foxes here.
i spent a significant amount of time last week learning about mammalian coat color genes.

1. there may be as many as 100 genes at work in the topic.
2. alleles and their products interact with the genome and each other determine phenotype
3. it is a far from straightforward process, as of yet i don't know why arctic foxes turn white in the winter after a number of hours reading and searching.

eye color in people is 3 genes (at this point in time) perhaps that will be a better example. mammalian coat color is really complex, as we found out. it is certainly not this simple gene = color relationship you think it is.
 
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Melethiel said:
No one has a clue about Heaven? Oops, sorry about that St. Paul and the rest of ye Saints.



Now, what exactly does that mean? Is God physical? If so, are males or females closer to his image? I would venture to say that this is in spiritual terms.



Yes.
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An angel, on the other hand, is a spiritual being, not biological, and therefore not subject to evolution.

The rest of the people on here may be ready to let you off based on your age, but I will not. There is no excuse for not learning fully about a subject before going off and pontificating about it.



You know what drives me nuts? The fact that a Christain would totally try to make someone look foolish because they have made a keyboarding error. Have you never made one? It seems to me that people are getting desperate for posts and grasping at straws because a good point has been made and it is becoming difficult to counter it :)
 
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