Just who do you claim created you, GOD or man?

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Blessings to you in the ONLY nature that is above all natures, Yeshua, the Pure and

[w]HOLY.This is tha message from Christ, the ONLY Creator of "all that is TRULLY Created."

This post has one purpose! And that is for the HOLY Spirit to urge ALL "back" into His understanding, by His WORD, to replace a "fallen" concept of "being" any kind of creation, other than Only HIS Created.

This message form the WORD of GOD is to provide the “utterances” of the Only True “HOLY WORD’s” to reclaim your..... "mind, body and soul…holy and without blame" into the Rule of the WORD of GOD and HIS Reign alone! (2Thes 5: 23-24 )

Without His understanding.... thru His wisdom of “HIS Perfect plan,” you will "fall short" of HIS divine Creation and HIS will FOR your life.

If you have any “other” creator other than HIS complete will of Perfection, you will not see HIS rule... forever! (Mt. 5: 8 : Heb. 12: 14 ; Rom. 6: 22 )

The WORD of GOD is perfectly clear that the WORD created man, and NOT that man can create anything! The WORD said that He Created "ALL things and outside of HIM, NO THING was created that is created.” (Jn. 1: 3 )

Believing that ANY thing can come from “fallen man” ...except other “fallen man” is the definite perpetuation of the "carnal mind" from generation to generation, for almost 7000 years so far. (give or take a few hundred years)

When the “so called” children of man” finally figure out that their “claiming" a “human heritage”... instead of the true heritage of someone “restored to the fullness", by the Spirit of the living WORD, and a true belief of a “divine heritage,” thru Christ, this belief will do NO-thing but keep you from being and doing the "full perfect will of the WORD of GOD." (Acts 26: 18 ; Rom. 12: 2 ; Col.4: 12 )

GOD said...”But as many as received Him (the WORD) He (the WORD) gave to them power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.” (Jn. 1: 12 )

Did you have "see" this... “ He (the WORD) gave to them power to become the sons of God.”

GOD did NOT say "man has the power to become "children of GOD"... NOR did the WORD say that man could, bestow "ANY thing" to benefit this transfer from “mans fallen" state into the "godly image." (2Pet. 1: 3-4 )

Now for the very center of GOD's very own, “anti-human doctrine,” which proves that GOD will not shear His Creating with NO one….. ”…Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (Jn. 1: 13 )

Did you see... “born, not of blood”? Did you notice that GOD says, His children will be HIS, that are “born, NOT of blood”

Did you SEE... ”nor of the will of the flesh”? Because GOD will NOT have "HIS children" claim to be any creation other than HIS "image and likeness."

As long as "YOU" are “trying” to be a child of GOD, Created in "His image and likeness" and "you", at the same time are claiming to be a descendent of the man / flesh / the fallen carnal human, you will be just that… a “flesh made fallen carnal human. "trying" to serve TWO masters." (Matt. 6: 22-24 ; Gen. 1: 27 )

GOD the WORD said, what HE expects His Creation to be....only HIS Creation and not the "will nor flesh of man"….. ONLY the "children of GOD" …”Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” Be His Creation and NO "other."

YOU "cannot serve two masters"… GOD and man…. Either GOD is your Creator and you are Created in "His image and likeness"... Or you are that of the “fallen," still part time, still carnal, Un-restored, Un-regenerated, Un-rebirthed totally, "almost" a completed child of ‘man’… And maybe "some day down the road, when "you" finally do more of what-so-ever "you" do to become a real "full time child" of GOD! “You are working out your “own” salvation with fear and trembling” (Matt. 6: 22-24 ; Phil. 2: 12 )

When you finally and truly believe HE DID IT!.... He RE-created you completely. The WORD Re-stored you fully by HIS blood sacrifice, than and only than, you have allowed yourself to be "HIS righteousness! (2Cor. 5: 17 ; Rev. 1: 5; Rom. 3: 25-26 )

Either your birth is Only of the ‘heavenly,’ or you are still hell-bound! Having ANY another creator OTHER than GOD and "His image" is not having GOD / the WORD as LORD but some other "thing" as ruler, and lord! (1Cor. 15: 48 )

As long as you are controlled by the understanding of the “knowledge of the evil” you will be "evil" with the “war going on… "flesh against the Spirit of GOD." (Gen. 1: 17 ; Rom. 8: 7-9 )

GOD said ”For as he thinks in his heart, so is he….” Prov. 23: 7 Did you get the meaning of this wisdom of the Creator?… "AS a man thinks in his MIND / heart SO IS he!”

As you believe “you” to be…so you are!

GOD said “Your own mouth condemns you, and not I, yes, your own lips testify against you.” (Job 15: 6) Yes, if you claim to be made in the image of the "fallen man" and NOT of the risen resurrected Christ! "Your own mind and mouth condemns you!”

AND GOD said "For your iniquity teaches your mouth, and you choose the tongue of the crafty." (Job. 15: 5) Your SIN teaches your mouth… your belief is... you have to "fall" short of the original Perfect Creation / sin, and that belief... "teaches you mouth!" And your mouth utters "your" sin and you hear your mouth uttering your "falling short of the glory of GOD", and you "choose the tongue of the liar”... or the "fallen carnal minded human" and you are bound and "condemned" by your own words, that of the "fallen nature"… And on and on and on, separated from GOD/ His HOLY WORD and "His image and likeness".... by the “faith” in the mind and mouth of the “fallen.” (Luke 6: 45. Mt. 12: 37 )

"Your own lips testify against you," GOD does not condemn you.. your own mouth does, because your are believing in a mind that is NOT the “mind of Christ." (Phil. 2: 5)

Believers believe...“but we have the mind of Christ!” ...You can't be ruled by both! You can NOT be Ruled by two different and opposing beliefs, at the same time! (James 1: 8) “Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus.” (1Cor 2: 16 )

Your own mouth claims who you are descendents of, and that false claim “condemns you!” because you claim, and even argue for the “flesh nature!" You argue for the “sin nature” You even go "out of the way" to argue for the “human nature” ... and the HOLY WORD is, all the while, waiting for you to HAVE HIM as your ONLY Creator… (2Cor. 4: 13)

The WORD of GOD is HOLY and those that believe that... the Holy WORD "HAS done" all that WAS needed to be totally, “Done on earth as it is in heaven!” ...'Finished (in you) on earth as it is in heaven.' GOD said to think and speak that way!.... Only believe “we are made holy by the offering of Jesus Christ once and for ALL.” And “By one offering HE HAS perfected forever those HE sanctified/ set aside holy!” and believers... believe.... He DID this.... because HE said He DID! (Heb. 10: 10,14 )

Believers even believe, "back" to the “divine perfect plan” that WAS Created BEFORE the "fall!" The "fall" was into a belief system that sustains Imperfection as its basis of its so-called truth! Unless you ..."have put on Christ." (Gal. 3: 27) or put on "His image and likeness" you are still a “fallen creature” by your "OWN" beliefs… (Gen. 1: 27 )

TRUE Repentance is true ‘Change of thinking’ as Jesus said ”Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3: 2) The original statement was ‘Change your thinking, the rule and reign of the WORD is NOW!’ …Jesus, being the WORD, and His proclamation was to “STOP" believing in the “fallen” nature as your creator…. BUT believe "HIS NATURE"… as the One and Only true nature as the ONLY Ruler and GOD.. and LORD! (Rom. 10: 8 )

Until you “put on Christ’s pure holy nature” and allow the “old man to be crucified with Christ!” (Rom. 6: 6) you are none of His Creation. Nor until you “believe” you have His Whole Spirit…. “you are none of HIS.”(Rom. 8: 9 )

It is your decision to be a Creation of Christ, the HOLY WORD... ONLY...OR ... the “fallen human” nature.... and you will live by that decision for eternity! Unless you “CHANGE” into His spoken WORD of Perfection, you will be lost... forever!

NOW just who created you?
 

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itsalldone said:
Blessings to you in the ONLY nature that is above all natures, Yeshua, the Pure and

[w]HOLY.


This is tha message from Christ, the ONLY Creator of "all that is TRULLY Created."

This post has one purpose! And that is for the HOLY Spirit to urge ALL "back" into His understanding, by His WORD, to replace a "fallen" concept of "being" any kind of creation, other than Only HIS Created.

This message form the WORD of GOD is to provide the “utterances” of the Only True “HOLY WORD’s” to reclaim your..... "mind, body and soul…holy and without blame" into the Rule of the WORD of GOD and HIS Reign alone! (2Thes 5: 23-24 )

Without His understanding.... thru His wisdom of “HIS Perfect plan,” you will "fall short" of HIS divine Creation and HIS will FOR your life.

If you have any “other” creator other than HIS complete will of Perfection, you will not see HIS rule... forever! (Mt. 5: 8 : Heb. 12: 14 ; Rom. 6: 22 )

The WORD of GOD is perfectly clear that the WORD created man, and NOT that man can create anything! The WORD said that He Created "ALL things and outside of HIM, NO THING was created that is created.” (Jn. 1: 3 )

Believing that ANY thing can come from “fallen man” ...except other “fallen man” is the definite perpetuation of the "carnal mind" from generation to generation, for almost 7000 years so far. (give or take a few hundred years)

When the “so called” children of man” finally figure out that their “claiming" a “human heritage”... instead of the true heritage of someone “restored to the fullness", by the Spirit of the living WORD, and a true belief of a “divine heritage,” thru Christ, this belief will do NO-thing but keep you from being and doing the "full perfect will of the WORD of GOD." (Acts 26: 18 ; Rom. 12: 2 ; Col.4: 12 )

GOD said...”But as many as received Him (the WORD) He (the WORD) gave to them power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name.” (Jn. 1: 12 )

Did you have "see" this... “ He (the WORD) gave to them power to become the sons of God.”

GOD did NOT say "man has the power to become "children of GOD"... NOR did the WORD say that man could, bestow "ANY thing" to benefit this transfer from “mans fallen" state into the "godly image." (2Pet. 1: 3-4 )

Now for the very center of GOD's very own, “anti-human doctrine,” which proves that GOD will not shear His Creating with NO one….. ”…Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (Jn. 1: 13 )

Did you see... “born, not of blood”? Did you notice that GOD says, His children will be HIS, that are “born, NOT of blood”

Did you SEE... ”nor of the will of the flesh”? Because GOD will NOT have "HIS children" claim to be any creation other than HIS "image and likeness."

As long as "YOU" are “trying” to be a child of GOD, Created in "His image and likeness" and "you", at the same time are claiming to be a descendent of the man / flesh / the fallen carnal human, you will be just that… a “flesh made fallen carnal human. "trying" to serve TWO masters." (Matt. 6: 22-24 ; Gen. 1: 27 )

GOD the WORD said, what HE expects His Creation to be....only HIS Creation and not the "will nor flesh of man"….. ONLY the "children of GOD" …”Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” Be His Creation and NO "other."

YOU "cannot serve two masters"… GOD and man…. Either GOD is your Creator and you are Created in "His image and likeness"... Or you are that of the “fallen," still part time, still carnal, Un-restored, Un-regenerated, Un-rebirthed totally, "almost" a completed child of ‘man’… And maybe "some day down the road, when "you" finally do more of what-so-ever "you" do to become a real "full time child" of GOD! “You are working out your “own” salvation with fear and trembling” (Matt. 6: 22-24 ; Phil. 2: 12 )

When you finally and truly believe HE DID IT!.... He RE-created you completely. The WORD Re-stored you fully by HIS blood sacrifice, than and only than, you have allowed yourself to be "HIS righteousness! (2Cor. 5: 17 ; Rev. 1: 5; Rom. 3: 25-26 )

Either your birth is Only of the ‘heavenly,’ or you are still hell-bound! Having ANY another creator OTHER than GOD and "His image" is not having GOD / the WORD as LORD but some other "thing" as ruler, and lord! (1Cor. 15: 48 )

As long as you are controlled by the understanding of the “knowledge of the evil” you will be "evil" with the “war going on… "flesh against the Spirit of GOD." (Gen. 1: 17 ; Rom. 8: 7-9 )

GOD said ”For as he thinks in his heart, so is he….” Prov. 23: 7 Did you get the meaning of this wisdom of the Creator?… "AS a man thinks in his MIND / heart SO IS he!”

As you believe “you” to be…so you are!

GOD said “Your own mouth condemns you, and not I, yes, your own lips testify against you.” (Job 15: 6) Yes, if you claim to be made in the image of the "fallen man" and NOT of the risen resurrected Christ! "Your own mind and mouth condemns you!”

AND GOD said "For your iniquity teaches your mouth, and you choose the tongue of the crafty." (Job. 15: 5) Your SIN teaches your mouth… your belief is... you have to "fall" short of the original Perfect Creation / sin, and that belief... "teaches you mouth!" And your mouth utters "your" sin and you hear your mouth uttering your "falling short of the glory of GOD", and you "choose the tongue of the liar”... or the "fallen carnal minded human" and you are bound and "condemned" by your own words, that of the "fallen nature"… And on and on and on, separated from GOD/ His HOLY WORD and "His image and likeness".... by the “faith” in the mind and mouth of the “fallen.” (Luke 6: 45. Mt. 12: 37 )

"Your own lips testify against you," GOD does not condemn you.. your own mouth does, because your are believing in a mind that is NOT the “mind of Christ." (Phil. 2: 5)

Believers believe...“but we have the mind of Christ!” ...You can't be ruled by both! You can NOT be Ruled by two different and opposing beliefs, at the same time! (James 1: 8) “Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus.” (1Cor 2: 16 )

Your own mouth claims who you are descendents of, and that false claim “condemns you!” because you claim, and even argue for the “flesh nature!" You argue for the “sin nature” You even go "out of the way" to argue for the “human nature” ... and the HOLY WORD is, all the while, waiting for you to HAVE HIM as your ONLY Creator… (2Cor. 4: 13)

The WORD of GOD is HOLY and those that believe that... the Holy WORD "HAS done" all that WAS needed to be totally, “Done on earth as it is in heaven!” ...'Finished (in you) on earth as it is in heaven.' GOD said to think and speak that way!.... Only believe “we are made holy by the offering of Jesus Christ once and for ALL.” And “By one offering HE HAS perfected forever those HE sanctified/ set aside holy!” and believers... believe.... He DID this.... because HE said He DID! (Heb. 10: 10,14 )

Believers even believe, "back" to the “divine perfect plan” that WAS Created BEFORE the "fall!" The "fall" was into a belief system that sustains Imperfection as its basis of its so-called truth! Unless you ..."have put on Christ." (Gal. 3: 27) or put on "His image and likeness" you are still a “fallen creature” by your "OWN" beliefs… (Gen. 1: 27 )

TRUE Repentance is true ‘Change of thinking’ as Jesus said ”Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3: 2) The original statement was ‘Change your thinking, the rule and reign of the WORD is NOW!’ …Jesus, being the WORD, and His proclamation was to “STOP" believing in the “fallen” nature as your creator…. BUT believe "HIS NATURE"… as the One and Only true nature as the ONLY Ruler and GOD.. and LORD! (Rom. 10: 8 )

Until you “put on Christ’s pure holy nature” and allow the “old man to be crucified with Christ!” (Rom. 6: 6) you are none of His Creation. Nor until you “believe” you have His Whole Spirit…. “you are none of HIS.”(Rom. 8: 9 )

It is your decision to be a Creation of Christ, the HOLY WORD... ONLY...OR ... the “fallen human” nature.... and you will live by that decision for eternity! Unless you “CHANGE” into His spoken WORD of Perfection, you will be lost... forever!

NOW just who created you?
I was created by my parents, or God if you take the Christian point of view. Now, what does any of this have to do with science, creationism, or evolution?
 
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LoL, yeah, talk about walking into formating hell. Then there is the bible snippet slinging with comments inbetween that often is pretty pointless to read.

I can sum this up without even reading it,
-If you say god created you, you are right and can go to heaven.
-If you say man created you, you are wrong and will stay imperfect forever, and not go to heaven.

To the person that read it, how close was I?

:)
 
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Arikay said:
LoL, yeah, talk about walking into formating hell. Then there is the bible snippet slinging with comments inbetween that often is pretty pointless to read.

I can sum this up without even reading it,
-If you say god created you, you are right and can go to heaven.
-If you say man created you, you are wrong and will stay imperfect forever, and not go to heaven.

To the person that read it, how close was I?

:)
In a nutshell.
 
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For some reason, I feel that he has made absolutely no point whatsoever. Any christian obviously accepts the fact that we were made by God. That is an inalienable truth.
If he is debating things in terms of evolution, it is purely the way that God functions.

However, he seems to not be taking a stand on anything, except to confirm the fact that we were made by God.

I do believe I speak for all christians when I say:

Yes, we do believe that God created us. What does that have to do with evolution or any other science (which is the reason why this particular forum exists)?
 
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Talcos Stormweaver said:
Yes, we do believe that God created us. What does that have to do with evolution or any other science (which is the reason why this particular forum exists)?
Precious little. Unless you are a Christian that adhere's to a literal interpretation of Genesis (literal english translation like KJV, etc).
 
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PhantomLlamaI was created by my parents, or God if you take the Christian point of view. Now, what does any of this have to do with science, creationism, or evolution? First of all, you don’t know who created you, if you have two chooses in your reply quote… was created by my parents, or God. It can’t be BOTH! Secondly “your parents” NOR any human being never truly “created” any living soul NOR did any “humus” being ever really create life! The "human" mind or brain is totally incapable of creating a soul! And "humans" are totally unable to create another living human body, as the WORD of GOD is the only Creator of life, itself., no matter what the "human' mind believes!
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God." 1Co 3:19 ***********
Dearest Talcos…I do believe I speak for all christians when I say:…Yes, we do believe that God created us. What does that have to do with evolution or any other science (which is the reason why this particular forum exists)?

First of all…1.) You do NOT speak for me, and I am a Christian (large C) because GOD’s REAL definition of a TRUE Christian is …“Those who belong to Christ HAVE Crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts!” Gal. 5: 24 …..AND… “those who walk after the SPIRIT do NOT full fill the lust of the flesh” Gal. 5: 16

Secondly 2.) On the upper part of this web page you are viewing, you will find (if you look) these 10 (ten) words…Christian Forums > Open Discussion & Debate > Science, Creation & Evolution > the eight word in those 10 words is Creation Than “if” you seek further on you will find the words three words …Science, Creation & Evolution! The second word isCreation And the post was what The SPIRIT of HOLINESS (opposite and opposed to the spirit of Unholiness) wanted posted anyway, even without your personalized, non scriptural based opinion! You say you are a Christian (large C) it would behoove you to use the WORD of GOD as your basis of understanding…because the LORD, Christ Himself said “Jesus answered and said unto him, "If a man love Me, he will keep My words, and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our abode with him. 24 He that love Me not, keeps not My sayings.” John 14: 23-24 If the WORD of GOD truly your LORD, and rules and reigns your heart, mind and soul, you would USE “HIS sayings,” and not rely on your “own” understandings. The continual and unceasing “use” of “His sayings” is just the beginning proof, that a TRUE Christian loves HIM! "If a man love Me, he will keep My words.”



A non Christ like person ,” keeps not HIS sayings.” They that .. “love HIM not!” Truth directly from the WORD HIMSELF!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>........

Ivoryrain said…Lets hope to one that originally made those comments doesnt catch wind of the written theft! The opposite is actual truth, as GOD sees it.. "If a man love Me, he will keep My words” (just in case you didn’t read the reply to Talcos) “he will keep My words” do not mean “KEEP” them to oneself, but to use them as everyday, every moment, way actual conversation!

True Christ followers are “For we are the circumcision, which worshipGod in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.” Phil. 3:3 The word circumcision” (in this context) means separated from, severed from. The word “Flesh” in the original text meant : 4561, fallen carnal human nature, As all true Christians “havenoconfidencein the fallen carnal human nature” And if Anyone has confidence of the human nature, do not “worshipthe WORD in the Spirit."

“But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in truth, for the Father seeks such to worship Him.”Joh 4:23 “In the begining the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD.” Jn. 1: 1 I pray that you can put these two verses together in “your” mind. NOW. Is the hour that “the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in truth,” As the only TRUE GOD is the WORD! The only TRUE Creator is the PURE and HOLY WORD of GOD! GOD said so, in HIS writings (GOD can write)and HE actually had HIS writings written down in the WORD of GOD for “HIS people” to live, as HIS Creation! And If ANYONE does not LIVE by the WORD of GOD, then they are NOT HIS Creation… easer than “falling into hell.”

Using the WORD’s of GOD is just what a TRUE Christian (refer to the reply just above this one) does and it is NOT the least bit offensive to HIM but the ONLY real way of “worship” Him in this “…present evil world”Because GOD said …“[the WORD] is the Spirit, and they that worship Him [the WORD], must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.”Joh 4:24 GOD said so in the following

Even with more importance a real Christian, Created only by the WORD, would follow, believe, trust, and convey the following to all who are still have confidence in the fallen carnal human nature…. Read it and weep! “Forasmuch then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin.”The word flesh, the first time it is used, in the “quote” means : skin, earthly body covering, so the original verse read “Forasmuch then as Christ has suffered for us in the earthly body covering, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind [thinking] for he that has suffered in the fallen carnal human nature has ceased from sin. ”And since HE never sinned then “for he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased (past tense) from sin.” Is talking about a TRUE Created Christian that “HAS Cease FROM sin!” The WORD never lies (HUH? Stormweaver? In case you read this reply to Ivoryrain)

NOTICE the verse following the WORD’s from GOD “HAS Cease FROM sin… That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. “NO longer live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men.” is a statement by GOD, the WORD!Again, a true creation of the WORD, would NOT, ANY longer, live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men.”

Because the true “believer would have “Ceased FROM sin!” to actually Have been “born again” by the WORD of GOD.



I pray that you receive the TRUTH as the WORD stated, so you can be FREE because “who the SON sets free is free indeed” and those who are still, NOT FREE, orhaveNOT “Ceased FROM sin”… Have NOT heard the Truth OR they did not believe the Truth when they heard it spoken (in the starter post), OR they would be “FREE indeed!”




I do pray, in Christ behalf that the other who were not really interested in the orinial post, and did not “study it” would be set free the lower form, “self’ and turn to the WORD of GOD as the ONLY Creator, and Ruler so they also be “made in “HIS image” and likeness, because “His sayings” are the “KEYS to the kingdom” of only living true GOD!

:prayer: May you all be truly converted!
 
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Well, the 'Creation' part of those three words is in fact referring to 'Creationism', as in 'opposed to evolution' kind of creation.

Also, cut back on the formatting. It makes your posts very hard to read with the net effect that no-one reads them. (except for a very few of us who probably won't read it again unless your style becomes more legible)
 
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