Just What is Islam?

[CrimsonTideChristian]

I look into politics and if anyone has a question about Islam and how it's screwing the world then just ask!

 

[BigNorsk]

Islam like all none true faiths is a works based faith. It also confuses the two kingdoms. And it commonly puts its faith in extra-scriptural revelation or teachers.

That means it really isn't much different than the sects of Christianity that do the same. Hence you often see them compared to each other with the arguement being that one or the other is worse or better.

They are really two peas in a pod.

Marv

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

Man this religion is leading to one of two things: it either destroys the civilized world as we know it or it destroys itslef. Screw Screw sitiation.

 

[imind]

brilliant thread.

 

[soblessed53]

The Religion Of Peace?
Countries with Islamic terrorist acts or problems-
http://tfaiiaft.tf.funpic.org/worldwideterror.html

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Moreover, Islam seems to have come from a variety of Jewish and Christian heresies in the first place- Hagarism, Ebionites, Nestorianism, etc.

 

[imind]

some people's dishonest approach to representing truth is unsettling. every arguement claiming islam is inherently violent (of course, made by taking quranic scripture out of context) has been refuted.

some people even admittedly refuse to read the quran, and instead grab hold of these meaningless quotes and twist them to fit their desired meanings. again, this is willful ignorance, which lies beneath dishonesty.

a pitiful and sinful act from a christian perspective; peculiar to find christians doing it.

I look into politics and if anyone has a question about christianity and how it's screwing the world then just ask!

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[soblessed53]

some people's dishonest approach to representing truth is unsettling. every arguement claiming islam is inherently violent (of course, made by taking quranic scripture out of context) has been refuted.

some people even admittedly refuse to read the quran, and instead grab hold of these meaningless quotes and twist them to fit their desired meanings. again, this is willful ignorance, which lies beneath dishonesty.

a pitiful and sinful act from a christian perspective; peculiar to find christians doing it.

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2. Out of context
Let us now turn to another argument or defensive tactic used by Muslims: the “you have quoted out of context” defense
http://challenging-islam.org/articles/warraq-debate-muslims.htm



SAME-O, SAME-O!

 

[imind]

2. Out of context
Let us now turn to another argument or defensive tactic used by Muslims: the “you have quoted out of context” defense
http://challenging-islam.org/articles/warraq-debate-muslims.htm



SAME-O, SAME-O!

i can't believe i actually have to argue against taking things out of context. to argue that this somehow isn't relevant to quranic scripture is baseless and absurd.

fallacy of quoting out of context.

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

Okay dude. At first I thought you were just being a jerk but now I get what your saying. Your right about me only quoting theverses I know. I have not read what is around them. I did not even think about that, good point. I have a girl bringing her Quran tommorrow so I will look at it. But, I still stick to my point of how Islam is an unjust realigion that IS creating problems in the world and GOD WILL DESTROY THEM. REVELATION HAS A WHOLE CHAPTER ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF BABYLON.

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

imind- Explain how all of these are out of text-

- "If a muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him."(Sura 9:39)
-"For he is told, the heat of battle is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of hell-fire."(Sura 9:81)
-"Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them"(Sura 9:23)
-"Slay the idolators wherever you find them and take them captives and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in every ambush"(Quran 9:5)
-------> Even if the sources of which I got these verses from did use them out of context, so do the Muslims themselves. These are a FEW of the verses that they use to justify their actions with.
FACT
- Most of the so-called "moderate" Arab nations are scared to death of Islamic Extremist for they pose a real, physical threat. Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Kuwait all gladly pay the most vicious terrorist organizations cash AND lip service. All so they will not be turned on. Now tell me that this is a "Peace Loving Religion"

 

[soblessed53]

 

[metherion]

Ah. You've got to love people who just hop on the train and don't do any research themselves.

As to how they are out of context, pick up a copy of the Koran and read the verses around them! Easy way to check things. But then again, that would actually involve knowledge, now, wouldn't it.

Gah. Portraying the terrorists as symbolic of all Islam is just as wrong as portraying the KKK as symbolic of all Christianity. But, since it's to someone else, most Christians sadly don't see a problem with it.

Metherion

 

[soblessed53]

Examining muslim apologetics (part one):
the bible versus the qur’an
As Christians encounter Islamic apologetics the topic quickly turns to ultimate sources of authority. Muslims are taught that the Bible is untrustworthy, and many believe that its text has been altered. In reality it is the Qur’an that suffers in comparison with the Bible on the issue of textual study and purity.
http://www.equip.org/free/DM822-1.htm
Common Logical Fallacies of Muslim Apologetics
http://www.answering-islam.org/Fallacies/index.html
Answering Islam
http://www.answering-islam.org/

 

[fiend007]

Its sad to see arguments as the OP is using.

Islam, just like Christianity, has certain elements within that provoke violence. But to categorize the religion as a whole as this is not only ignorant, but ridiculously undermines your own views.

Hundreds of years ago I could have made the same statement about Christianity. The Inquisition, the Crusades, the persecution of non Christians... and it is the same within Islam now (which btw is 600 years newer than Christianity so it hasn't had as much time to liberalize).


Here are some nice quotes taken from the Bible:

Exodus 22:20: "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Psalms 79:6: "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name."

are these quotes not essentially saying the same thing that the quotes you provided from the Koran are saying?

Radical Islam, like any radicalization of religion, is a threat to civilized society. But so is your radical view that that calls for the destruction or conversion of all Muslims. It is a view of hatred and fundamentalism and it is the reason for the current turmoil in the world.

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

Okay Metherion,
I See Your Point. I'm Sorry I Didn't Make This Clear The First Time. I Don't Have A Problem With Muslims, Only The Radicals And Extremist. I Really Do Appreciate You Setting Me Staight. I Didn't Want To Sound Prejudiced Because I'm Not. It's Just That When I Talk About Islam In current World Affairs It Means Talking About What Muslims Have Done Currently. Muslims In Current World Affairs Have Strapped Bombs To Themselves, Sworn To Destroy Israel, Led Hate Crime Protest, And Vowed To Rule The World.

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

Okay fiend,
I get where your coming from and I corrected your opinion of me in my above post. No those verses you took from the Bible are not like the ones I gave from the Quran.
- Bible= sins of Christians as well as all other race and religion
-Quran= a provokative message of hate and violence that insist on the destruction of all non-muslims.

 

[CrimsonTideChristian]

Did You Know,

That Honor Killing is where a female in a family is killed by a male relative. This is considered a most just and honorable thing to do. The woman could have been raped against her will, looked at a man in the wrong way, or accused of something she did not do and she would still be put to death.

- The Islamic religion is a perversed one. Women have no honor or respect. The only way for them to gain honor among Allah and men is by death. She can either commit suicide for her faith, or be killed for her faith to achieve this.

 

[soblessed53]

Its sad to see arguments as the OP is using.

Islam, just like Christianity, has certain elements within that provoke violence. But to categorize the religion as a whole as this is not only ignorant, but ridiculously undermines your own views.

Hundreds of years ago I could have made the same statement about Christianity. The Inquisition, the Crusades, the persecution of non Christians... and it is the same within Islam now (which btw is 600 years newer than Christianity so it hasn't had as much time to liberalize).


Here are some nice quotes taken from the Bible:

Exodus 22:20: "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. they must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Psalms 79:6: "Pour out thy wrath upon the heathen that have not known thee, and upon the kingdoms that have not called upon thy name."

are these quotes not essentially saying the same thing that the quotes you provided from the Koran are saying?

Radical Islam, like any radicalization of religion, is a threat to civilized society. But so is your radical view that that calls for the destruction or conversion of all Muslims. It is a view of hatred and fundamentalism and it is the reason for the current turmoil in the world.

Unlike Radical Islamic Terrorism,there is no place on earth experiencing terrorism from Christians! I have not seen a single post here calling for the destruction/genocide,or conversion of Muslims,so why are you even stating such a thing?

 

[imind]

Unlike Radical Islamic Terrorism,there is no place on earth experiencing terrorism from Christians! I have not seen a single post here calling for the destruction/genocide,or conversion of Muslims,so why are you even stating such a thing?

there you go again...

christian terrorism
more...
more...
the troubles between catholics and protestants in ireland...


you are trying to suggest that because a group of people of a certain religion act a certain way, then that religion must condone it. obviously, christianity doesn't condone violence, yet we see christian groupls acting violently.

That Honor Killing is where a female in a family is killed by a male relative. This is considered a most just and honorable thing to do. The woman could have been raped against her will, looked at a man in the wrong way, or accused of something she did not do and she would still be put to death.

show me where quranic scripture condones this.

Contrary to stereotypical beliefs, honour killing is forbidden in Islam. [18] There is no specific mention of the practice in the Qur'an or Hadiths. An honour killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against the woman, and is technically forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Some Islamic religious authorities and Muslims, disagree with extra-legal punishments such as honour killing and prohibit it, since they consider the practice to be a cultural issue. [19] They believe that since certain pre-Islamic cultures have influence over a number of Muslims, murderers of females use Islam to justify honour killing, even though there is no support for the act in the religion itself.

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also note from the above entry that honor killings happen the world over, and are not performed exclusivley by muslims, as some christians have committed this heinous act.

- The Islamic religion is a perversed one. Women have no honor or respect. The only way for them to gain honor among Allah and men is by death. She can either commit suicide for her faith, or be killed for her faith to achieve this.

again, substantiate this nonsense with evidence.