Just for final clarification yes, we evolved from monkeys.

[Rodan6]

Truly, God has chosen an evolutionary plan for our world. Nothing is gained by denying His wonderful works.

 

[Rodan6]

I will go with what god has revealed, if your understanding of the bible contradicts reality perhaps it's your understanding that is wrong, evolution is a fact, I won't corrupt reality and the truth to keep a untennable belief, I know god's real and I know evolution happened so I must accept them, I won't make the bible, or reality conform to some preconcieved idea of what is true just to keep holding on to a false belief. Creationism is killing Chrstianity with it's lies and falsehoods, and not sure I want to stand before god and have to explain why I turned people from Christianity rather then accept the truth.

Very strongly agree.

 

[loveofourlord]

And...where in that [illusion] explanation do you find room for any [actual] evolution?

during the many revolutions of the earth around the sun,or as we call them years heh, time is still there as a concept I just don't think of it as anything beyond that.

 

[MasonP]

And let me guess, we have no sin nature ... right?

Right, unless you are a Christian then you will believe that you do.

 

[MasonP]

And everyone is expected to comply with those teachings, I take it?

If you want to remain in that society yes you do, the ones who don't are either cast out, locked up or keep themselves to themselves and remain isolated.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you want to remain in that society yes you do, the ones who don't are either cast out, locked up or keep themselves to themselves and remain isolated.

By those who scratch their heads and wonder why two apes went ape?

 

[MasonP]

By those who scratch their heads and wonder why two apes went ape?

It's what apes do.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's what apes do.

I suppose so.

In the case of Klebold & Harris though, I suspect it's a matter of "love of money" that disappointed the experts, who could have made a bundle off of psychoanalyzing them.

 

[SteveB28]

Sorry not buying unscientific mumbo jumbo full of assumptions and unprovable assertions.

Do you have your fingers stuck in your ears at the moment.......?




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[rjs330]

You evolutionists crack me up with all your assumptions. You assume everything. You assume the yolk thing must be evidence of egg laying past despite the fact that the gene mentioned does have other uses besides making yellow goo. You assume the bones in whales are vestgial legs rather than perhaps other things like extra fins or soemethimg that had to do with their hip structure. You assume everything. Everything to you points to evolution because you assume it does. Sorry, but you can't go back in time and prove any of it. Its a wild guess and speculation. You so desperately want evolution to be real you're willing to accept anything as evidence. Yet you can't test it or observe it. Its not real science. You can't show a common ancestor. You can't show anything changing into anything else. If a fish crawled out of the sea and evolved into a reptile it changed into something it wasn't. There is no observable or testable evidence to that wild speculation. You guys are funny.

 

[sfs]

You evolutionists crack me up with all your assumptions. You assume everything. You assume the yolk thing must be evidence of egg laying past despite the fact that the gene mentioned does have other uses besides making yellow goo. You assume the bones in whales are vestgial legs rather than perhaps other things like extra fins or soemethimg that had to do with their hip structure. You assume everything. Everything to you points to evolution because you assume it does. Sorry, but you can't go back in time and prove any of it. Its a wild guess and speculation. You so desperately want evolution to be real you're willing to accept anything as evidence. Yet you can't test it or observe it. Its not real science. You can't show a common ancestor. You can't show anything changing into anything else. If a fish crawled out of the sea and evolved into a reptile it changed into something it wasn't. There is no observable or testable evidence to that wild speculation. You guys are funny.

So, rather than offer any kind of reasoned objection to evolution or substantive response to the challenges you've received, you mock. Because that's all you've got: content-free mockery.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I know exactly what evolution is. I've had it explained as nauseam by many evolutionists. And its all poppycock. Go back far enough and something did change into something it wasn't.

You mean like a caterpillars changing into butterflies? tadpoles changing into frogs? nymphs changing into imagos? It happens all the time - but that's not evolution.

If you mean a population of one species slowly morphing over many generations, to become a different species - yes, it also happens all the time; all populations of species are in constant genetic flux. When the resulting changes are sufficient to clearly distinguish one population of a species from another population (or from the original), they may be considered separate species (as for the four giraffe species recently discovered). The process of speciation has been observed in the lab and in the wild.

 

[rjs330]

You mean like a caterpillars changing into butterflies? tadpoles changing into frogs? nymphs changing into imagos? It happens all the time - but that's not evolution.

If you mean a population of one species slowly morphing over many generations, to become a different species - yes, it also happens all the time; all populations of species are in constant genetic flux. When the resulting changes are sufficient to clearly distinguish one population of a species from another population (or from the original), they may be considered separate species (as for the four giraffe species recently discovered). The process of speciation has been observed in the lab and in the wild.

Funny thing is they are still giraffes aren't they.

 

[rjs330]

So, rather than offer any kind of reasoned objection to evolution or substantive response to the challenges you've received, you mock. Because that's all you've got: content-free mockery.

Listen I've given all kinds of reasoned objections in the past on threads just like this one. They are,summarily dismissed by evolutionists because they are objections by creationists. So here we are. You summarily dismiss my objections and I summarily dismiss yours.

Many of you evolutionists mock my belief in God, and I'm a little tired of it so please forgive me for responding in kind. I shouldn't do that.

Bottom line, evolution is still assumption and suposition. You haven't seen a human laying eggs or a whale with legs. You suppose it is something from the past. You assume all things came from,the thing. Once you make that leap the rest is easy. Everything points to evolution in your eyes. Meanwhile you can't prove any of it. You can't recreate it and you can't observe it. Lizards are still,lizards and giraffes are still,giraffes and monkeys are still monkeys and humans are still humans. Species can adapt and change within themselves in order to survive. That's part of the incredible nature that God created in his world. It all points to the amazingness and power of God to create. But no one has ever observed a lizard changing into anything else but a lizard or a fish changing into anything else but a fish. And you can't recreate it in a lab either.

 

[ScottA]

during the many revolutions of the earth around the sun,or as we call them years heh, time is still there as a concept I just don't think of it as anything beyond that.

Time is part of the creation. As such, it is finite, having no more purpose or reality than is assigned to it by God. All of which is mere manifest imagery (created in His image) - imagery...a form of godly media for the telling of His story. History is his story...and yet He is timeless. Time, therefore, is indeed an illusion.

 

[MasonP]

Funny thing is they are still giraffes aren't they.

There are approximately 20,000 species of butterflies in the world, why did God make so many?

 

[MasonP]

Time is part of the creation. As such, it is finite, having no more purpose or reality than is assigned to it by God. All of which is mere manifest imagery (created in His image) - imagery...a form of godly media for the telling of His story. History is his story...and yet He is timeless. Time, therefore, is indeed an illusion.

Time is man made as are Gods.

 

[rjs330]

There are approximately 20,000 species of butterflies in the world, why did God make so many?

Cause he wanted too? Same thing with all the different kinds of fish and trees and bushes and spider's and birds. Its a wonderful world just chalk,full of incredible things that God created. It all shows the power and glory of God as all things of variety and purpose. Simply,Amazing!

 

[sfs]

Listen I've given all kinds of reasoned objections in the past on threads just like this one.

So you've made posts that had real content somewhere else? Why bother with the content-free posts here, then?

They are,summarily dismissed by evolutionists because they are objections by creationists. So here we are. You summarily dismiss my objections and I summarily dismiss yours.

Sure, but I dismiss your objections because they consist of nothing but your personal incredulity while you dismiss mine because you can't answer them. Bit of a difference there.

Many of you evolutionists mock my belief in God, and I'm a little tired of it so please forgive me for responding in kind. I shouldn't do that.

I'm a Christian -- in fact, I just got home from church. So I don't see what your problems with atheists have to do with me.

Bottom line, evolution is still assumption and suposition. You haven't seen a human laying eggs or a whale with legs. You suppose it is something from the past. You assume all things came from,the thing. Once you make that leap the rest is easy. Everything points to evolution in your eyes. Meanwhile you can't prove any of it. You can't recreate it and you can't observe it. Lizards are still,lizards and giraffes are still,giraffes and monkeys are still monkeys and humans are still humans. Species can adapt and change within themselves in order to survive. That's part of the incredible nature that God created in his world. It all points to the amazingness and power of God to create. But no one has ever observed a lizard changing into anything else but a lizard or a fish changing into anything else but a fish. And you can't recreate it in a lab either.

As I've already told you, you're simply wrong. Scientists don't have to re-create phenomena to study them, and they don't have to be present to test suppositions about the past.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Funny thing is they are still giraffes aren't they.

Well yes, they're basically subspecies of giraffe; that's how evolution works - species diverge as variations of their ancestral species - such as the shorter-necked giraffe ancestor Samotherium major.

But if, as you say, you know about evolution, you know this; why pretend ignorance? Does it offend your sensibilities to think that you have a common ancestor with less sophisticated creatures (including giraffes) - or did you mistake an allegory for fact?