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Disclaimer: This is not ment to start any debate! No one is to argue what anyone says in this thread. It is simply a way to get to know where everyone is comming from.

That said, I know that this is the Reformed (soon to be progressive) SDA forum. I was just wondering why you all consider yourself to be Reformed/Progressive. What specific docterines, attitudes, etc.? I think this will be a good way to understand everyone's frame of refrance a little bit better.

I'm excited to see all of your answers! :D
 

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Here are some things that progressive adventists believe... I think Dave may post it at some point....

Progressive Adventists believe

  • That need produces doctrine. Energy and scholarship are put into the study of doctrinal and ethical issues that apply to our era, rather than to be content with traditional positions arrived at by earlier theologians who had their own cultural and historical biases. Theological and ethical considerations deemed pertinent and relevant in one era may not be at all relevant in another era. Progressive Adventists also recognize that catastrophes or crises of all kinds-economic, social, and natural-have formed the bedrock for forging "the truth," truth which may have no meaning for the next generation.
  • That revelation is progressive. That beliefs must be studied and restudied to come to a fuller understanding of God and His will for us. Progressive Adventists reject the idea that there is nothing new to learn and that Ellen White is the final interpreter of the bible. It is believed that difficult questions must be asked even when there is no immediate answer. The goal is not to destroy the truth, but to come to a clearer understanding of what we call “the truth.”
  • Progressive Adventists believe that no one has the right to dictate the only correct and acceptable belief system. That one can belong to the body of Christ and have differing views on “the truth.” The importance of theological positions is not to identify a church body, but to support fellowship, brother/sisterhood, help with living in a increasingly dangerous world, give counsel for the depressed, and express love for the unloved. Theological stances or positions are not to shut out others but to include all. They are to assist us in reaching out in loving, inclusive gestures.
  • Progressive Adventists do not believe that the clothes and/or adornment make the person acceptable to God in worship. God is not a provincial lord who wants everyone to look alike and demands that only certain clothes are appropriate for worship. The matter of relationships among believers is more important than their apparel. One cannot worship God and also shun and resent those who don't adhere to a specific dress code. Progressive Adventists believe that the church building and the organization and its standards are never more important than the people who attend the church. The system operates for the individual church member. The church members do not exist for the church.
  • Progressive Adventists believe that one cannot correctly understand Scripture without referring to the historical context, the cultural mores, and the language in which it was written. The belief in progressive revelation makes us aware that our pictures of God keep changing. Progressive Adventists believes that the picture of God blotting out populations either by the sword of man, or by fires, earthquakes, catastrophic storms, and volcanic eruptions, demonstrates that man has indeed made god in his own image. It is appropriate to think, ask questions, weigh material and not be intimidated by the words; it's inspired. No leap of faith is wide enough to bridge the chasm of these contradictory pictures of God.
  • Progressive Adventists believe that in the 20th century there are many issues that are not even hinted at in the Scriptures, even when possible biblical principles do apply. Progressive Adventists take the Bible seriously, yet they recognize that the revelation is progressive. Science is not derived from the Bible, but it does illuminate our perspectives, both spiritual and physical. Progressive Adventists have a healthy respect for science and research and incorporate the knowledge gained from science into their understanding of who God is and how He interacts in the lives of mankind.




http://www.atoday.com/magazine/archive/1994/janfeb1994/articles/Progressive.shtml
 
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OK!!! Now that I know what Progressive is, I can truly say that I am Progressive. Mostly because I believe that God deal with man as he has created him, as an individual. We see in the Bible how each reached out to each person differently, and I believe that is still true today. That being said, you cannot have an individual relationship with God with everybody thinking and acting the same way. There is allowance for individual tastes, gifts and talents. I feel badly for those who only look for conformity, they miss out on the blessing of how God created man each to be as unique as He did the snowflakes, and He enjoys receiving praise and worship from each individual in their own unique way, using the gifts and talents He gave them.
 
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OK based on this I am a progressive if that is all they believe if there's more please post Stormyone. Would be nice to know what a Traditional is if its the opposite then really they are Traditional based on who? Not the pioneers they seem more progressive then we think after all they started a new church, can't get more progressive than that! LOL
 
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I was introduced to the term progressive adventist on this forum and I think it does a good job of describing where I'm at theologically. I have since come across the term "postconservative", used by some Evangelicals. I think it works. I used to be a conservative, but now I find it unsatisfying and it doesn't properly address the post-modern world that I am a part of. Since I don't want to end up as a liberal/pluralist/relativist, I find what the posconservative Evangelicals are doing quite interesting. Here are some links to articles by Roger Olson on postconservatives:

Beginings in 1995
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=85

Retrospective in 2005
http://www.generousorthodoxy.net/thinktank/files/postconservative.pdf

[The second article is longer]
 
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remember this thread?
Sure do, it seems to me considering Paul said we see through a glass darkly then it makes sense to be progressive, people who are traditional in their approach to theology seem dangerous to me and go against the very approach of the person who they 'worship' the most. EGW was a progessive as you read her writings you can see she grew in her approach to the Lord moving from the Methodist- perfectionst angry God approach that she was famaliar with to something better IMO.
 
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I think that any Christian (particularly conservative ones like Adventists) who are serious about being progressive should be engaging with the 21st century.

Here are some points about the 21st century, postmodernism and the Christian

The cultural shifts

There are many definitions and descriptions of post-modernism. Mark Riddell (http://www.zeta.org.au/~lorien/prodigal) and others have described the movement towards post-modernism in recent decades as a movement from:

Faith in progress ---> Doubt and uncertainty that things will get better.
We assumed all problems were solvable through science and technology. The experience of two world wars, Viet Nam, the ecological crisis, the problems of urbanisation, the rise of new diseases like HIV etc have all contributed to a growing doubt about progress.

Detached objectivity ---> Subjective knowledge also has validity.
We now know that nature is not an "it". Science does not rely on impartial measurement alone. Quantum physics has weakened/destroyed the old paradigm. Also feminist critiques have helped us to see that the dominant "objective" perspective was usually that of while, male, heterosexual professionals. History and other social sciences depend on the viewpoint of the observer.

Confidence in rationalism ---> More intuitive ways of knowing gain credibility.
Descartes said "I think therefore I am", but this no longer applies. While our intellects are important, humans are not just intellects. Our whole persons are involved in knowing, and this post-modern perspective is more in line with the Hebrew (Old Testament) approach to knowing.

Process lineally, sequentially ---> Process data in many ways at once.
The printing press meant that we started at point A (top left and front of book) and finished at point B (bottom right and back of book) as dictated by the author. On the World Wide Web, we can hyperlink in whatever direction and wherever we like. People take in information in all sorts of ways; not just lineally.

Reality is "real" ---> Reality is socially constructed.
When dealing with what was "out there", we thought we were on solid ground. Reality was external, fixed; all we had to do was to explore and discover it. People from other cultures and minority groups have helped us to see that different people see "reality" differently. We have moved from "truth is out there" to "tell me your truth and I'll tell you mine".

Faith in institutions ---> Less inclined to give authority to institutions.
There was a time when our trust in the monarchy, police force, church and courts of law was firm and solid. People are now much more suspicious and mistrustful of institutions. The church now has to earn people's confidence; it cannot be assumed or taken for granted.

Absolute ethical principles ---> Less agreement about central values.
The grand overarching stories (metanarratives) fail. Science makes advances before we have developed ethical codes to deal with the new discoveries. The 1950s were a time of solid ethical principles and these were good for some, but not so good for women, the disabled, Aboriginal people or migrant-ethnic groups.

Some characteristics of postmodernism

Post-modernism is characterised by:

Juxtaposition, diversity, multiple-tasking.
Things are put side by side, seemingly unconnected. The tension may be creative or may simply be chaotic. Look at the video clips of current pop stars. Notice how young people "channel surf" when watching TV.

Relationality, hunger for community.
People choose their community, it is no longer given by family ties or geography. Coffee shops and eateries have proliferated. Some "communities" are created on the world wide web in chat rooms. Churches need to create spaces and opportunities for genuine interaction and community.

People want to participate, to be involved.
People are now less inclined to give authority to a "guru". They prefer to meet "in the round" so that everyone can see everyone else's faces. They look for shared leadership. Inclusion is the key. People are not passive recipients. People want to create meaning for themselves. People want to experience God, not just know about God.

Spirituality, questions of meaning.
The secular city of the 1960s did not eventuate. People hunger for spirituality. We live in a time like the first century when there were lots of competing spiritualities for people's loyalty. Christianity needs to re-establish its credibility in the market place. The Christian scriptures and tradition have a tremendous richness to offer.

Holism, inter-connectedness.
Ecology demonstrates that all things are connected. A habitat does not consist of isolated species, but each living symbiotically with the other. Similarly, every aspect of life is connected with our well-being. Faith needs to be connected with every aspect of life. Furthermore, the church is like a body, with different members functioning for the well-being of the whole.

Romanticism - a quest for beauty, love, creativity, self-expression (materialism has failed to satisfy).
People are less concerned about life-long goals or careers. The material utopia has been punctured. These things did not matter to Jesus either. Perhaps Jesus was a romantic? Church can offer opportunities for people to experience beauty and love. Churches need to provide opportunities for people to be creative and express themselves.

Playfulness.
People want to push the limits, enjoy things for their own sake. We use technology to play better games. Young people try drug use, body piercing, bisexuality. There is a lack of concern for constraints of time and finance. Without resorting to life-denying practices, Christians need to know how to play and celebrate. Of all people, we have something to rejoice in, to celebrate, to party about!

Immediacy.
Many people want fast food. There is a preoccupation with heightened experience in the present, the "adrenalin rush". Bungy jumping, jet boats and computer games are all popular. Post-modern culture is loud, fast, aggressive, "in your face", with little space for reflection or analysis.

There is lots we can work with here in presenting the Christian message.

Some useful links to sites about Christianity and post-modernism.
[http://www.faithmaps.org/pomophillinks.htm]

Taken from this site: http://assembly.uca.org.au/TD/emerging.htm
 
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Juxtaposition, diversity, multiple-tasking.
Things are put side by side, seemingly unconnected. The tension may be creative or may simply be chaotic. Look at the video clips of current pop stars. Notice how young people "channel surf" when watching TV.

I guess I'm not very well-suited to a post-modern world. I can't multi-task at all. ;)
 
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