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They are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

If we are always before the throne for eternity...whats the point of the new earth? Why create an entire earth when we could just be kept in heaven before the throne?
It seems you have an existential dread of what heaven will be like. Friend, I am sure we are not going to be singing hymns bowing before a throne forever and ever. We should not take these passages so literal. The new earth will be the restoring of what Eden was like, a place of delight. The reverse of the fall and sin and its consequences is what we are looking forward to.
 
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They are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

If we are always before the throne for eternity...whats the point of the new earth? Why create an entire earth when we could just be kept in heaven before the throne?
It's highly symbolic language.

God is renewing all creation. Humans were never meant to die. To be separated from the body is unnatural. When our bodies and souls are united again at the end of time, we will truly be happy as God intended.
 
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They are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

If we are always before the throne for eternity...whats the point of the new earth? Why create an entire earth when we could just be kept in heaven before the throne?
Good question.

In Genesis 1 and 2 we see the Earth and Adam and Eve in a perfect sinless environment. This was God's plan for mankind. We were to have our own planet - perfectly custom made for humans.

In Rev 21 we have "paradise restored" -- a planet that is designed and formatted for humans and also customized to house the Holy City - so it will be even better
 
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It seems you have an existential dread of what heaven will be like. Friend, I am sure we are not going to be singing hymns bowing before a throne forever and ever. We should not take these passages so literal. The new earth will be the restoring of what Eden was like, a place of delight. The reverse of the fall and sin and its consequences is what we are looking forward to.
Ah I see you checked my previous posts, yeah tbh I absolutely do have a fear about this rn. I just sucks when you dont look forward to eternity you get me?
 
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Good question.

In Genesis 1 and 2 we see the Earth and Adam and Eve in a perfect sinless environment. This was God's plan for mankind. We were to have our own planet - perfectly custom made for humans.

In Rev 21 we have "paradise restored" -- a planet that is designed and formatted for humans and also customized to house the Holy City - so it will be even better
Will we be able to create there? For example im a composer, so id love to make music and present it to God!
Music composition is the gift that God gave me, and im so grateful for it, I dont know if God would take that away or not.
 
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More along those lines -

story of Redemption

The New Earth (Story of Redemption)

“I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.” Revelation 21:22. The people of God are privileged to hold open communion with the Father and the Son. Now we “see through a glass, darkly.” 1 Corinthians 13:12. We behold the image of God reflected, as in a mirror, in the works of nature and in His dealings with men; but then we shall see Him face to face, without a dimming veil between. We shall stand in His presence and gaze upon the glory of His countenance. "

"There immortal minds will study with never-failing delight the wonders of creative power, the mysteries of redeeming love. There is no cruel, deceiving foe to tempt to forgetfulness of God. Every faculty will be developed, every capacity increased. The acquirement of knowledge will not weary the mind or exhaust the energies. There the grandest enterprises may be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations reached, the highest ambitions realized; and still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of mind and soul and body. "

"And as the years of eternity roll, they will bring richer and more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. As knowledge is progressive, so will love, reverence, and happiness increase. The more men learn of God, the greater will be their admiration of His character. As Jesus opens before them the riches of redemption and the amazing achievements in the great controversy with Satan, the hearts of the ransomed beat with a stronger devotion, and they sweep the harps of gold with a firmer hand; and ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of voices unite to swell the mighty chorus of praise."

“And every creature which is in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.” Revelation 5:13.
 
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Will we be able to create there? For example im a composer, so id love to make music and present it to God!
Music composition is the gift that God gave me, and im so grateful for it, I dont know if God would take that away or not.
The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan

"There the redeemed shall know, even as also they are known. The loves and sympathies which God Himself has planted in the soul shall there find truest and sweetest exercise. The pure communion with holy beings, the harmonious social life with the blessed angels and with the faithful ones of all ages who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, the sacred ties that bind together “the whole family in heaven and earth” (Ephesians 3:15)—these help to constitute the happiness of the redeemed."

"There, immortal minds will contemplate with never-failing delight the wonders of creative power, the mysteries of redeeming love. There will be no cruel, deceiving foe to tempt to forgetfulness of God. Every faculty will be developed, every capacity increased. The acquirement of knowledge will not weary the mind or exhaust the energies. There the grandest enterprises may be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations reached, the highest ambitions realized; and still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of mind and soul and body."

"All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's redeemed. Unfettered by mortality, they wing their tireless flight to worlds afar—worlds that thrilled with sorrow at the spectacle of human woe and rang with songs of gladness at the tidings of a ransomed soul. With unutterable delight the children of earth enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. They share the treasures of knowledge and understanding gained through ages upon ages in contemplation of God's handiwork. With undimmed vision they gaze upon the glory of creation—suns and stars and systems, all in their appointed order circling the throne of Deity. Upon all things, from the least to the greatest, the Creator's name is written, and in all are the riches of His power displayed."

"And the years of eternity, as they roll, will bring richer and still more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. As knowledge is progressive, so will love, reverence, and happiness increase. The more men learn of God, the greater will be their admiration of His character. As Jesus opens before them the riches of redemption and the amazing achievements in the great controversy with Satan, the hearts of the ransomed thrill with more fervent devotion, and with more rapturous joy they sweep the harps of gold; and ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of voices unite to swell the mighty chorus of praise."

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In other words - this dark world of sin, rebellion , pain and death is not the greatest, highest, "best" environment in which to exercise our talents - but rather the most difficult. The challenges in heaven are higher and more enjoyable -- the infinite mind of God is infinite in all areas of endeavor - no matter your area of skill it is a mere drop in the ocean of possibilities in that area of skill that is available in heaven.
 
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They are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

If we are always before the throne for eternity...whats the point of the new earth? Why create an entire earth when we could just be kept in heaven before the throne?
Someone, somewhere, came up with a theology that the first fruits of the new creation were the whole deal.

This question is a result of that.
 
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They are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

If we are always before the throne for eternity...whats the point of the new earth? Why create an entire earth when we could just be kept in heaven before the throne?
"I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth" Psalm 34:1

Do you think David was literally praising the Lord at all times? Like he didn't say anything else or do anything else?
 
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The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan

"There the redeemed shall know, even as also they are known. The loves and sympathies which God Himself has planted in the soul shall there find truest and sweetest exercise. The pure communion with holy beings, the harmonious social life with the blessed angels and with the faithful ones of all ages who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, the sacred ties that bind together “the whole family in heaven and earth” (Ephesians 3:15)—these help to constitute the happiness of the redeemed."

"There, immortal minds will contemplate with never-failing delight the wonders of creative power, the mysteries of redeeming love. There will be no cruel, deceiving foe to tempt to forgetfulness of God. Every faculty will be developed, every capacity increased. The acquirement of knowledge will not weary the mind or exhaust the energies. There the grandest enterprises may be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations reached, the highest ambitions realized; and still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of mind and soul and body."

"All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's redeemed. Unfettered by mortality, they wing their tireless flight to worlds afar—worlds that thrilled with sorrow at the spectacle of human woe and rang with songs of gladness at the tidings of a ransomed soul. With unutterable delight the children of earth enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. They share the treasures of knowledge and understanding gained through ages upon ages in contemplation of God's handiwork. With undimmed vision they gaze upon the glory of creation—suns and stars and systems, all in their appointed order circling the throne of Deity. Upon all things, from the least to the greatest, the Creator's name is written, and in all are the riches of His power displayed."

"And the years of eternity, as they roll, will bring richer and still more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. As knowledge is progressive, so will love, reverence, and happiness increase. The more men learn of God, the greater will be their admiration of His character. As Jesus opens before them the riches of redemption and the amazing achievements in the great controversy with Satan, the hearts of the ransomed thrill with more fervent devotion, and with more rapturous joy they sweep the harps of gold; and ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of voices unite to swell the mighty chorus of praise."

==============================

In other words - this dark world of sin, rebellion , pain and death is not the greatest, highest, "best" environment in which to exercise our talents - but rather the most difficult. The challenges in heaven are higher and more enjoyable -- the infinite mind of God is infinite in all areas of endeavor - no matter your area of skill it is a mere drop in the ocean of possibilities in that area of skill that is available in heaven.

For the pleasure (Rev 4:11) of his glory through the Son (Php 2:11; Eph 3:10, Eph 1:20-23; 1Co 15:24-28; Col 1:16-20; 1Co 1:18-20),
God has decreed a controversy with Satan in which
God's goodness, love, mercy, etc. will be glorified through the church
(Eph 3:8-11), the bride which the Father is preparing for his Son
in the two-in-one enfleshment of the marital union
(Eph 5:31-32),
while his justice, righteousness, holiness, etc. will be glorified through Satan by overcoming him in such a way that
he will no longer contest
(Job 1:9-11, Zec 3:1-2, Rev 12:10), but will be obliged to agree that God is just and right (Ro 3:4, Php 2:10-11).

God is Judge and, therefore, he will not only execute justice, but will oblige all to agree with it
(Php 2:10-11),
for he will be cleared and vindicated of any charges of injustice when he judges
(Ro 3:4).
 
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"I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth" Psalm 34:1

Do you think David was literally praising the Lord at all times? Like he didn't say anything else or do anything else?

I think it was continually in his heart, and when he spoke he referenced everything in terms of God.
 
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They are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

If we are always before the throne for eternity...whats the point of the new earth? Why create an entire earth when we could just be kept in heaven before the throne?
God's original creation was VERY GOOD and to be enjoyed by mankind ... and then an enemy showed up and tainted all that .... He will restore the earth back to VERY GOOD condition to be enjoyed by us.

God's heavenly abode is His temple .... and indeed His temple is the place of worship .... after total completion of His plan .... He will move His temple (place of worship) to the new earth and dwell with His people. His people will enjoy both worshiping and the newly created earth of which will be not totally unlike His original creation (as there was nothing wrong with it in the first place - before the fall)

The tree of life is mentioned three times in Genesis 2, in Eden, and again four times in Revelation, three of those in the final chapter. These instances seem to refer to Eden’s literal tree of life. We’re told the tree of life is presently in Heaven (Revelation 2:7). The New Jerusalem itself, also in the present Heaven, will be brought down, tree of life and all, and placed on the New Earth (Revelation 21:2). Just as the tree was relocated from Eden to the present Heaven, it will be relocated again to the New Earth and we will have access to it.

Ezekiel 47:12 — The New International Version (NIV)​

12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

No worries .... all that is VERY GOOD will be available to us and for eternity! AMEN! Can't wait!
 
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They are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple.

If we are always before the throne for eternity...whats the point of the new earth? Why create an entire earth when we could just be kept in heaven before the throne?
We are not always before the throne for eternity.
 
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Do forgive me, but im not following?
In revelation apparently there is a reward for some who will rule the nations with a rod of iron, and old testament prophecies where God is patron over other nations who come to give worship.

if those who are only there as God's inheritance remain, because everyone else is burning in hell - this whole aspect of the prophecies will not come to pass.
 
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