Just a question on the matter

[Phinehas2]

Dear Wednesday,

That and questioning fundie knowledge of their own theology. But going offtopic was inevitable

so as an atheist you are happy with liberal beliefs but not fundie beliefs?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Dear Wednesday,
so as an atheist you are happy with liberal beliefs but not fundie beliefs?

I don't think it matters if she's an atheist or not, what I imagine irks her are people who refuse to acknowledge objective evidence (like fundies)

 

[k2svpete]

Well there you go I learnt something new today. Perhaps my example to be teachable will serve as an example? I can live in hope at least.

EP2, yep, did it last night.

 

[k2svpete]

I don't think it matters if she's an atheist or not, what I imagine irks her are people who refuse to acknowledge objective evidence (like fundies)

Ahhh, but to acknowledge whether something is objective is a subjective decision in itself.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Ahhh, but to acknowledge whether something is objective is a subjective decision in itself.

well, go to far down THAT rabit hole... all knowledge is flavoured by SOME type of bias... the trick is to be aware of it, and do ones best to be objective.

EP2, yep, did it last night.

Bonobos?

 

[k2svpete]

Yes, bonobos.

 

[Wednesday]

Ahhh, but to acknowledge whether something is objective is a subjective decision in itself.

Hun

Originally Posted Enemy PartyII
what I imagine irks her are people who refuse to acknowledge objective evidence (like fundies)

 

[k2svpete]

The point I made was that what one person will call objective evidence, another will call biased material.

Its like that saying 'Perception is reality.' I really dislike it. It would be more correct to say that 'Your perception is your reality' because we all are looking at something from a unique point of view.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear EnemyPartyII

I don't think it matters if she's an atheist or not, what I imagine irks her are people who refuse to acknowledge objective evidence (like fundies)

Well thats not my point, my point is that logically if the atheism is right then fundies faith in Jesus Christ is in vain and liberals like atheists dont have any faith in Jesus Christ.


NB also you say 'if' she is an atheist, whats the point of the icon if one isnt what the icon means?

 

[jamielindas]

Dear Wednesday,
so as an atheist you are happy with liberal beliefs but not fundie beliefs?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I want to answer it anyway.

Yes, I like liberal/modern christian beliefs but detest fundamentalist beliefs. Basing your moral code on the general ideas taught by Jesus of love and acceptance and doing good in the world is great. Basing your beliefs on blind faith of sometimes contradictory material that requires you to perform morally questionable acts (bombing abortion clinics, god hates [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] websites, etc) while encouraging you to not think for yourself.

 

[Wednesday]

Yep, that's it

Just because I'm an atheist does not mean that I'm not open to beliefs of others as long as those beliefs don't hurt others.

Also fundie's baseless hate towards their neighbour and constant judging and condemning.

Fundies are so unlike their Christ.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Yep, that's it

Just because I'm an atheist does not mean that I'm not open to beliefs of others as long as those beliefs don't hurt others.

how is that possible? If you were open to them you'd believe them to be true, and would therefore not be an atheist?

Also fundie's baseless hate towards their neighbour and constant judging and condemning.

Fundies are so unlike their Christ.

Looks like you just judged fundamentalists yourself. Not all fundamentalists are unlike Christ in their walk.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I want to answer it anyway.

Yes, I like liberal/modern christian beliefs but detest fundamentalist beliefs. Basing your moral code on the general ideas taught by Jesus of love and acceptance and doing good in the world is great. Basing your beliefs on blind faith of sometimes contradictory material that requires you to perform morally questionable acts (bombing abortion clinics, god hates [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] websites, etc) while encouraging you to not think for yourself.

Hello, I think you have a misconception of fundamentalist christianity. God never instructs anyone to do anything to abortion clinics or do anything (or even think) out of hatred. On the other hand, fundamentalism requires alot of self-thinking, unlike modernized churches which just tell everyone what they want to hear. If God did not set a standard that He wished us to live by, then the bible would be only an optional source of the christian faith rather than one of the core essentials. It comes down to whether one trusts God over themselves.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

how is that possible? If you were open to them you'd believe them to be true, and would therefore not be an atheist?

Looks like you just judged fundamentalists yourself. Not all fundamentalists are unlike Christ in their walk.

"Open" means "willing to listen and re-evaluate"... it doesn't mean "already believes"

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

"Open" means "willing to listen and re-evaluate"... it doesn't mean "already believes"

Being open to something means you entertain the idea, instead of instantly finding ways to deny it.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Being open to something means you entertain the idea, instead of instantly finding ways to deny it.

Thats right. which is different to saying openness means

If you were open to them you'd believe them to be true, and would therefore not be an atheist?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Thats right. which is different to saying openness means

atheism is a religion in itself, its a belief in unbelief. If you start every conversation inherently believing that what they are telling you is not true, then you are not open to them.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

atheism is a religion in itself, its a belief in unbelief. If you start every conversation inherently believing that what they are telling you is not true, then you are not open to them.

Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is not a belief in disbelief, it is merely the absence of belief... the same way darkness is an absence of light, or cold is an absence of heat... they aren't some sort of reverse light or heat, merely an absence

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is not a belief in disbelief, it is merely the absence of belief... the same way darkness is an absence of light, or cold is an absence of heat... they aren't some sort of reverse light or heat, merely an absence

Lack of belief also includes ignorance to beliefs as well. Atheists know of major religions, or were previously involved in one. They went from that, to disbelieving it as truth, and are now atheist. So how is disbelief not involved again?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear JamieLindas,

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I want to answer it anyway.

Yes, I like liberal/modern christian beliefs but detest fundamentalist beliefs. Basing your moral code on the general ideas taught by Jesus of love and acceptance and doing good in the world is great. Basing your beliefs on blind faith of sometimes contradictory material that requires you to perform morally questionable acts (bombing abortion clinics, god hates [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] websites, etc) while encouraging you to not think for yourself.

Yet bombing abortion clinics is fundamentally not fundamental Christianity, I would say it isn’t Christianity at all, if it were it would be liberal Christianity as it compromises the teaching of Jesus.
NB As to acceptance, Jesus didn’t accept the views of people who disagreed with Him and whilst He died on the cross and was resurrected for all, He pointed out that at judgement day not all would be accepted.