Just a question on the matter

[k2svpete]

Well to coin a phrase some people just seem to be 'bloody-minded' in the face of overwhelming evidence that is contrary to whatever beliefs they hold.

EP2, I don't know what your personal situation or beliefs are but rest assured that the lack of condemnation applies to those in Christ. Those who are wilfully unrepentant and continue in sin not longer fall into that category. Have a good read of Romans 5-6. If the Bible doesn't speak to you then there is no hope for any of us to get through.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well to coin a phrase some people just seem to be 'bloody-minded' in the face of overwhelming evidence that is contrary to whatever beliefs they hold.

EP2, I don't know what your personal situation or beliefs are but rest assured that the lack of condemnation applies to those in Christ. Those who are wilfully unrepentant and continue in sin not longer fall into that category. Have a good read of Romans 5-6. If the Bible doesn't speak to you then there is no hope for any of us to get through.

The Bible speaks to me hugely.

It just doesn't tell me that same sex relationships are bad, or give me any reason to suspect as much.

 

[Brieuse]

Dear EnemyPartyII
K2svpete makes a such a well put comment. One relationship was given the 'thumbs up', as in man and woman, Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, 1 Cor 6 & 7, Heb 13, etc, and the same-sex wasn't as in Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2 and Jude 1.
Now I know you dont somehow seem to believe all that, but you have only provided the David and Jonathan story from 1 Samual as an example, but this story would be a contradiction in context if there was same-sex sex , yet David had wives and slept with women there is no mention of him sleeping with Jonathan or any other man.
Well in Christ there is no condmenation, so no-one Christian would want to suggest anyone is condemned for any sin, but they might want to point out what God says. Nonetheless, we can see from passages like 1 Cor 6 and Romans 1 that everyone is a sinner except for the redeeming witness and blood of Christ which washes us clean. God doesnt point out sin to us to make us feel guilty so much as to make us pure clean and redeemed to live life to the full.

David had wives and slept with women?

So David was sinning according to you?

One relationship was given the 'thumbs up', as in man and woman, Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, 1 Cor 6 & 7, Heb 13, etc

 

[Brennin]

The Bible speaks to me hugely.

It just doesn't tell me that same sex relationships are bad, or give me any reason to suspect as much.

You are not reading it correctly, then.

 

[k2svpete]

Oh for pity's sake. Read the extract out of Romans 1 and don't be so closed minded within your own little thought bubble.

 

[k2svpete]

What the?

Of course David was a sinner. I'll let you in on a secret, we all are.

 

[Wednesday]

Yes it is condemning unnatural relationships and quite clearly in both that translation given and a literal translation from the Greek. There is no side-stepping the matter.

Homosexuality is perfectly natural. It is common among other species.

 

[Brieuse]

Oh for pity's sake. Read the extract out of Romans 1 and don't be so closed minded within your own little thought bubble.

Actually her opinion is the opinion of many educated theologists.

 

[k2svpete]

Absolute rubbish. If it's perfectly natural please point out all those wonderfull offspring concieved within a homosexual relationship? I'll not hold my breath for a response on that one.

As you are an atheist this will likely be lost on you but as I have said previously, the sin of mankind affected all creation, perverting the perfection that existed.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You are not reading it correctly, then.

you're interpretation. But I'll need some logical support of your view before I go turning in my lesbian membership and secret underwear...

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Oh for pity's sake. Read the extract out of Romans 1 and don't be so closed minded within your own little thought bubble.

I'M closed minded??? I'M not the one condemning people for being different, nor am I the one who is completely unopen to new and fresh ideas....

 

[k2svpete]

The wisdom of men is as foolishness before the Lord.

He set the bible out so the simple message could be understood by all. It is very clear, trying to muddy the waters is nothing more than trying to corrupt the message.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Absolute rubbish. If it's perfectly natural please point out all those wonderfull offspring concieved within a homosexual relationship? I'll not hold my breath for a response on that one.

As you are an atheist this will likely be lost on you but as I have said previously, the sin of mankind affected all creation, perverting the perfection that existed.

a. I'm not an atheist.
b. Homosexual intimacy is not about having children. Its still perfectly natural.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

The wisdom of men is as foolishness before the Lord.

He set the bible out so the simple message could be understood by all. It is very clear, trying to muddy the waters is nothing more than trying to corrupt the message.

if its so simple, why are there 38,000 different denominations of Christianity?

 

[k2svpete]

I am not condemning people, people are condemned by their sin. Very different thing.

New and fresh ideas eh, and where do they originate from? Oh, mankind....trying to pervert scripture to try and justify their own immoral activities and thoughts. Yes, I have a problem with that. I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say that God probably doesn't approve of that either.

 

[k2svpete]

No, but Wednesday is which is who the response was directed at.

Perfectly natural, rubbish. Humans and dolphins ar the only two species onthe planet that engage in sexual activity for other than procreation. You can't go pointing at it happening in nature and then say that it isn't about procreation in humans.

 

[k2svpete]

I have a somewhat more focused view on what constitutes a Christian. The reason for so many denominations? Simple, mankind muddying the word of God.

 

[Wednesday]

No, but Wednesday is which is who the response was directed at.

Perfectly natural, rubbish. Humans and dolphins ar the only two species onthe planet that engage in sexual activity for other than procreation. You can't go pointing at it happening in nature and then say that it isn't about procreation in humans.

Over 1500 animal species engage in homosexual activities.

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718

Read them and weep.

 

[Phinehas2]

So we seem to back once again to the definition of Christian. If the 38,000 supposed different denominations whch interpret the Bible differently still believe the Bible, then they are Christian. If they dot I suggest they arent. If they believe the Bible they will see that David was heterosexual as he slept with women and there is no homosexual activity in the story of David and Jonathan.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Wednesday,
God's word and purpose for humans in creation is man and woman, not what animals do.