Just a question on the matter

[EnemyPartyII]

Your characterization of the various authors of the Bible as "bronze age goat herders," obviously.

Bronze age goat herder is not a perjorative. It is, however, important to understand that one cannot expect insightful scientific theory from a subsistence pastoral economy.

There's nothing wrong with being a bronze age goat herder. Nothing at all. They just aren't the best people to ask for scientific information about complex, often non-directly observable phenomena.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

So why isn't inhospitality known as "sodomy" then?

Actually, it IS. Increasingly, the true meaning of sodomy is coming to light. Among the people with whom I work, sodomy is indeed intended to mean unrighteous inhospitality...which is exactly what it means in the Bible.

 

[BigBadWlf]

The New Testament condemns homoeroticism as well.

Not according to literal translation

 

[BigBadWlf]

Not according to the New Testament:

Jude
7Likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

None of which has anything to do with homosexuality

 

[BigBadWlf]

depends who you ask. Jesus certainly doesn't.

Isn’t it interesting that those using the bible to justify prejudice never want to talk about the teachings of Jesus

 

[BigBadWlf]

According to the lack of any evidence, there is no credible, proof that Sodom and Gomorrah even existed, let alone was destroyed by IPU.

As for Leviticus.

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a harlot, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)​

Do you do everything above, do you put people to death if they break a rule?

I am sure you be told that somehow people just know that these inconvenient rules are no longer applicable. Only old testament laws that benefit the political cause of the individual are applicable today

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Isn’t it interesting that those using the bible to justify prejudice never want to talk about the teachings of Jesus

Indeed... yet more support for my embryonic theory... that many people who identify as "Fundamenatlist Christians" are actually far more correctly called "Paulian Jews"... they revere the legalist bits of the Old testament, and the words of Paul. All that liberal long haired Jesus nonsense is really nothing more than a figurehead

 

[Brennin]

Bronze age goat herder is not a perjorative. It is, however, important to understand that one cannot expect insightful scientific theory from a subsistence pastoral economy.

There's nothing wrong with being a bronze age goat herder. Nothing at all. They just aren't the best people to ask for scientific information about complex, often non-directly observable phenomena.

There is nothing wrong with being Bronze Age goat herders but the authors of the Bible were not Bronze Age goat herders.

 

[Brennin]

None of which has anything to do with homosexuality

It has everything to do with homosexuality. I already trounced you once. Are you returning for seconds?

 

[Brennin]

According to the lack of any evidence, there is no credible, proof that Sodom and Gomorrah even existed...

The condemnation applies regardless.

As for Leviticus.

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)
Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)
Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?
If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10). I wonder if Dr. Laura would like that one to be enforced?
If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)
If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)
If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16). I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. Are they crazy?
If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)
Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)
If a priest's daughter is a harlot, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)
People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)
Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)
Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

Do you do everything above, do you put people to death if they break a rule?

The New Testament, which is the standard for Christians, condemns homoeroticism in several different places.

 

[Wednesday]

There is nothing wrong with being Bronze Age goat herders but the authors of the Bible were not Bronze Age goat herders.

How do you know?

 

[Brennin]

How do you know?

This is not difficult. The Late Bronze Age in the ANE was from 1600-1100 BC. Most of the Hebrew Scriptures were written after that and the New Testament was written over 1000 years after the end of the Bronze Age.

Quit while you are behind.

 

[Wednesday]

How do you know that they weren't goat herders?

 

[Brennin]

How do you know that they weren't goat herders?

The New Testament is written in Greek, some of it quite sophisticated, the mastery of which would have probably been beyond the means of a herdsman.

 

[Wednesday]

What about Old Testament

 

[Brennin]

you're wrong, because the self contradictory, yet totally inerrant local context tribal laws of bronze age goat herders says so!

Don't quit your day job to become lecturer on the Bible.

 

[Wednesday]

Moreso

Just how do you know that what you read in your Bible is exactly how it was written 2000 years ago? What you read in English has been frased exactly the way it has been written in Hebrew and Greek? You do know that when the text has been translated and re-written so many times, the words and meanings change. I mean it was written, re-written, translated and re-translated. There has been addition of some passages and adjustments. So how do you know?

 

[Brennin]

Moreso

Just how do you know that what you read in your Bible is exactly how it was written 2000 years ago? What you read in English has been frased exactly the way it has been written in Hebrew and Greek? You do know that when the text has been translated and re-written so many times, the words and meanings change. I mean it was written, re-written, translated and re-translated. There has been addition of some passages and adjustments. So how do you know?

I read Greek.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Moreso

Just how do you know that what you read in your Bible is exactly how it was written 2000 years ago? What you read in English has been frased exactly the way it has been written in Hebrew and Greek? You do know that when the text has been translated and re-written so many times, the words and meanings change. I mean it was written, re-written, translated and re-translated. There has been addition of some passages and adjustments. So how do you know?

There is no other ancient text even remotely comparable to the accuracy of biblical transcription through the ages. The dead sea scrolls are one example. I have to ask how do you know that the bible is not accurate or reliable? Or an even bigger question, what does this have to do with homosexuality?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

What about Old Testament

The OT is basically just a collection of books written by/of prophets. david was a sheep herder (before he became king ofc)and a large portion of psalms is attributed to him.

for the most part, prophets were called to deliver messages from God, so not likely they spent all their time herding goats. (Unless you consider the unbeliever as a goat)