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Or as they used to say in the old days, the slight of the hand. Whenever the media is pointing to a leading story I always wonder what they're diverting our attention from. It's an old magician's trick that's still effective. Few question it.

Ah, yes.

Also, a Kansas City Shuffle.
 
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So I understand, right now the evidence for this is from the attackers. Is there any other evidence to support their claims?

It certainly doesn't look good, but I'm not counting any chickens.

It would be unbelievably irresponsible of someone in his position to do something like this though; Considering the impact it would have society wide, it would just be unbelievably stupid.

I mean, CLEAR racist attacks are given a backhanded condemnation; attacks likely but perhaps not directly tied to racism are IMMEDIATELY dismissed as non hate crimes. And think about the ammunition, and confidence it gives to people holding the attitude in the OP; one who already harbours skepticism.

With that said, in my time working at a youth treatment centre, I came across kids who would fake things like this to get attention. It makes me sad when a 14 year old runaway does it but at LEAST the sphere of affect is small. This kinda thing is HUGE.
 
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So I understand, right now the evidence for this is from the attackers. Is there any other evidence to support their claims?

It certainly doesn't look good, but I'm not counting any chickens.

I too am waiting for something more definitive from Chicago PD, but...

If we're going to grant that these are the attackers, they are not white (as described by Smollett) and as Nigerian immigrants, they would seem unlikely to be shouting MAGA.
 
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So I understand, right now the evidence for this is from the attackers. Is there any other evidence to support their claims?

This is from the local news...

Chicago police tweeted that reports about the "incident being a hoax are unconfirmed by case detectives." They released a statement Friday, saying, "Interviews will resume today with the two people of interest and their attorney. While we haven't found any video documenting the alleged attack, there is also no evidence to say that this is a hoax. The alleged victim is being cooperative at this time and continues to be treated as the victim, not a suspect. The investigation continues."
 
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You made an excellent point. That politicians are actually running on platforms based off of these lies.
 
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How do you quantify that there are a large number of valid "hate crimes"?
 
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fakehatecrimes.org

Thank you Google. Apparently the average number of fake hate crimes nearly tripled since Trump was elected.
 
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Thank you Google. Apparently the average number of fake hate crimes nearly tripled since Trump was elected.
Hate crimes have been increasing yearly, so what's the rate? You claim they tripled, how many hate crimes are reported each year? As I said, a list of incidents does not tell you much. You're arguing there are more false reports, but there are also more hate crimes occurring, so that logically means more false reports.

EDIT: Did you even look at the data on the website you posted? There is a spike in 2016, but subsequent years decreased. Meanwhile, the number of hate crimes spiked in 2016 and have been increasing every year, meaning the rate of hoaxes is lower with each year.
 
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Thank you Google. Apparently the average number of fake hate crimes nearly tripled since Trump was elected.

This fakery just underscores why we should not just "believe the victims" just because they claim to be victims. It seems that people who are looking for attention are ready to jump on the victim bandwagon in order to get that free ride.
 
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Just like most "news" ... need to wait for compelling evidence ... give time to try and figure things out before jumping on any band wagon. We are often reacting way to quick to "reports" on various things .... us .... and the media.
 
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Jussie Smollett made false statements. As someone that doesn't care about Trump or his supporters. Or probably most people. I'm left leaning and I glad this hate crime didn't happen. Or I hope it didn't. Famous people usually have body guards. I'm assuming this guy was famous. But his credibility is shot and probably his career too. But Trump has encouraged hate and violence . So I'm not getting how Trump has any Christians supporters at all. I really don't even get your Trump hate comment. What I think is most liberals are confused , that Conservatives can bash Obama, wife and children over and over. And vote for Trump, Who's 100 percent plus more slimy and hateful than Obama.
 
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If the allegations are true, and it looks like they are, this itself is a hate crime, against our society.

No, it isn't. And that sort of hyperbolic nonsense isn't helping.
 
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And that goes both ways. What are the relative numbers of real Hate crimes?

I heard one of the anchor people in the video comment with a "what a shame" tone to her voice, something to the affect of, This is the USA in 2019. But no, it's not.
How often does something like this actually happen with this degree of violence?

I'm against any degree of racism, and agree it is still with us, but this is not the USA of yesterday when it comes to racism, far from it, and hopefully we'll get further from it as time goes by.
 
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