Judgements on Judging

[babylonisfalling]

Judgement has been a much debated issue among Christians. There are many well known Biblical verses which speak negatively of judging others and these are often used to stifle Christian input on issues. The dilemma is that it seems impossible for anyone, Christian or not, to go through life without making judgements and almost all judgements we make, whether negative or positive concern the actions of others.



In reality, if we made no judgements at all, how do we tell our sons and daughters that it's bad to steal? If we discipline them should they persist in their bad behaviour, we've actually taken judgement to the next level with the imposition of punishments as a result of judgement against our own kids.

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[quatona]

Judgement has been a much debated issue among Christians. There are many well known Biblical verses which speak negatively of judging others and these are often used to stifle Christian input on issues. The dilemma is that it seems impossible for anyone, Christian or not, to go through life without making judgements and almost all judgements we make, whether negative or positive concern the actions of others.

(emphasis added)

 

[juvenissun]

Judgement has been a much debated issue among Christians. There are many well known Biblical verses which speak negatively of judging others and these are often used to stifle Christian input on issues. The dilemma is that it seems impossible for anyone, Christian or not, to go through life without making judgements and almost all judgements we make, whether negative or positive concern the actions of others.

In reality, if we made no judgements at all, how do we tell our sons and daughters that it's bad to steal? If we discipline them should they persist in their bad behaviour, we've actually taken judgement to the next level with the imposition of punishments as a result of judgement against our own kids.

Please check out the rest of the article here
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We make judgement, toward others or not, for the sake of ourselves. If you judge, but it brings no benefit to you, then you did it wrong.

I think it is not a hard criterion to use.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Judgement has been a much debated issue among Christians. There are many well known Biblical verses which speak negatively of judging others and these are often used to stifle Christian input on issues. The dilemma is that it seems impossible for anyone, Christian or not, to go through life without making judgements and almost all judgements we make, whether negative or positive concern the actions of others.



In reality, if we made no judgements at all, how do we tell our sons and daughters that it's bad to steal? If we discipline them should they persist in their bad behaviour, we've actually taken judgement to the next level with the imposition of punishments as a result of judgement against our own kids.

Please check out the rest of the article here
Judgements on Judging - Yahoo Voices - voices.yahoo.com

First off, we may want to establish what 'judging' specifically entails; it could be that when Jesus said 'don't judge...,' he had a particular concept in mind and not just the idea that we are to avoid the exertion of our ability to discern.

 

[babylonisfalling]

We make judgement, toward others or not, for the sake of ourselves. If you judge, but it brings no benefit to you, then you did it wrong.

I think it is not a hard criterion to use.

I don't think so. We can make a correct judgement that don't necessarily benefit ourself.

We can judge favorably upon a homeless person and give him a few dollars that we might have spent on a cup of coffee for ourselves.

 

[babylonisfalling]

First off, we may want to establish what 'judging' specifically entails; it could be that when Jesus said 'don't judge...,' he had a particular concept in mind and not just the idea that we are to avoid the exertion of our ability to discern.

I think when Jesus said that he meant not to judge to the point of condemnation.

 

[juvenissun]

I don't think so. We can make a correct judgement that don't necessarily benefit ourself.

We can judge favorably upon a homeless person and give him a few dollars that we might have spent on a cup of coffee for ourselves.

That is only in appearance. Ultimately, it would still benefit you. That is where it really counts.

In your example, you become a better man by doing that.

 

[babylonisfalling]

That is only in appearance. Ultimately, it would still benefit you. That is where it really counts.

In your example, you become a better man by doing that.

I believe that and have another article published about it on good works. It doesn't necessarily mean that we made that judgement for the sake of ourselves though. We could still do it for the sake of the homeless person.

 

[Edouard]

If you read the sermon on the mount in regards to Judging. Do not judge, referring to having a plank in your own eye. Whether or no you give a homeless person a $1 is not a use of good or bad judgement.

In many churches that I have attended I have not seen what I see where I currently attend. They want everyone at church. Their main purpose is to preach the gospel and help people change their lives. How many of our churches in general would allow drug dealers? known prostitutes? come week after week.

Jesus spent time with the tax collector/converted saul/met the woman at the well/stopped a stoning of a woman who committed adultery.

When it comes to judging someone there has to be a distinction based on the relationship/leadership defined. It is not judging telling someone that they need to change their behaviour or lifestyle - Jesus did this all the time.

When he met with the tax collector/woman at the well - did he say you sinner your going to hell. Or did he approach them out of love and then offer an alternative?

In the time that Jesus spoke about judging; remember the temple courts were corrupt/the high priests were taking bribes. He was telling them do not judge because you are like white washed tombs. You look good on the outside - but on the inside I do not know was the summary of the message.

The scriptures do provide the leadership of the church how to handle sinful actions that are not changed or are more public like adultery. Remember that there is a difference in judging someone and disciplining them. I think our culture gets the two confused.

May God provide us all with the power of discernment.

 

[Received]

Judgment is a necessary part of consciousness (well, not entirely; you can train yourself to minimize judgment, as Buddhists teach). Matthew 7:1 is referred to condemnation, or using your judgments to place someone beyond the pale or excluding them.

 

[znr]

Yeah and that's about all most Christians are gonna give. A few dollars in exchange for a cup of coffee. Rarely more.

I don't think so. We can make a correct judgement that don't necessarily benefit ourself.

We can judge favorably upon a homeless person and give him a few dollars that we might have spent on a cup of coffee for ourselves.

 

[babylonisfalling]

Yeah and that's about all most Christians are gonna give. A few dollars in exchange for a cup of coffee. Rarely more.

Christians give much more of their income than non Christians or atheists do

 

[Chany]

Christians give much more of their income than non Christians or atheists do

How much of that is to churchs, religious foundations focused upon religion itself, and heavily religious charities?

 

[babylonisfalling]

How much of that is to churchs, religious foundations focused upon religion itself, and heavily religious charities?

They give more to charities also, and money given to churches goes overseas and locally to help the poor.

 

[babylonisfalling]

Judgment is a necessary part of consciousness (well, not entirely; you can train yourself to minimize judgment, as Buddhists teach). Matthew 7:1 is referred to condemnation, or using your judgments to place someone beyond the pale or excluding them.

I believe it is an unavoidable AND necessary part of consciousness, but yes, you can also train yourself to minimize condemnatory negative judgement against others.

 

[juvenissun]

I believe that and have another article published about it on good works. It doesn't necessarily mean that we made that judgement for the sake of ourselves though. We could still do it for the sake of the homeless person.

If you don't do it for yourself, then sometimes you will do it, but sometimes you will not do it.

If you do it for yourself, then every time you will do it.

 

[babylonisfalling]

If you don't do it for yourself, then sometimes you will do it, but sometimes you will not do it.

If you do it for yourself, then every time you will do it.

I don't believe that either. There are times when a good man who knows the spiritual benefits of giving money to a homeless guy, and believes in doing it for the sake of being a better person will slip up, give in to selfishness and not "do it all the time"

 

[babylonisfalling]

If you read the sermon on the mount in regards to Judging. Do not judge, referring to having a plank in your own eye. Whether or no you give a homeless person a $1 is not a use of good or bad judgement.

In many churches that I have attended I have not seen what I see where I currently attend. They want everyone at church. Their main purpose is to preach the gospel and help people change their lives. How many of our churches in general would allow drug dealers? known prostitutes? come week after week.

Jesus spent time with the tax collector/converted saul/met the woman at the well/stopped a stoning of a woman who committed adultery.

When it comes to judging someone there has to be a distinction based on the relationship/leadership defined. It is not judging telling someone that they need to change their behaviour or lifestyle <---Yes it is.- Jesus did this all the time.

When he met with the tax collector/woman at the well - did he say you sinner your going to hell. Or did he approach them out of love and then offer an alternative?

In the time that Jesus spoke about judging; remember the temple courts were corrupt/the high priests were taking bribes. He was telling them do not judge because you are like white washed tombs. You look good on the outside - but on the inside I do not know was the summary of the message.

The scriptures do provide the leadership of the church how to handle sinful actions that are not changed or are more public like adultery. Remember that there is a difference in judging someone and disciplining them. I think our culture gets the two confused.

May God provide us all with the power of discernment.

If you tell someone to change their life, you've made a judgement. It's just that it's not necessarily a bad judgement. See John 7:24

From the article:
What seems to get overlooked many times is the fact that despite the well known Biblical verses against it, judgement remains a very Biblical practice. But like nearly everything else in the Bible, from Old Testament sacrifices to New Testament prayers, judgement can be done either wrongly or rightly.

 

[Ephesians 5:2]

there is that which discerns

there is that which condemns


"he that is Spiritual, JUDGETH all things"...


so, if you esteem someone to be lower or less then you and feel you have this authority based on your feelings of self worth, then you have found the issue with yourself.

 

[Strivax]

Hmmm. Tolerate all but the intolerant. Judge none but the judgmental.

'Judge not, lest ye be judged!'

My own thinking is that we have to bite the bullet with this one. There is no way we can get through life without sensitive but nevertheless rigorous discrimination between things that are good, and things that aren't. And, we are going to be judged anyway, however nervous we are about 'judging'. Judge away, is my advice, but be prepared to account for your judging, and have a rationale for your thinking at the ready.

Best wishes, Strivax.