Judgement

[Mailman Dan]

However, the scriptures cannot be broken ... even if you disagree with them.

I totally agree, 100%!


Revelation 21:8
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”


So do you disagree with all the scriptures I also previously posted?

There are 2 versions of God, the one we want, and the One who Is...

Don't remove the part of God that you don't want, rather find the One who is. Scripture is in harmony, but what you must understand, one must take the gift from God, and not everyone does.


Dan~~~>hopes you spend more time reading the scriptures on the matter

 

[artybloke]

However, the scriptures cannot be broken ...

However, there is nothing in the world that says that your interpretation of said scriptures or mine is always going to be the correct one; so a little more humility in presenting your case might be useful.

 

[GrannieAnnie]

I reckon the judgement will be pretty strict, afterall, it will determine our life for eternity not just a 100 years or so. But it is my understanding that once we repent of sins that the Lord does not keep account of them once they have been forgiven. I haven't looked at all the above mentioned scriptures.....too much for my little brain to take in all at once....but just from my personal understanding....I think the Lord will be a fair judge, and we will get what He believes we deserve.......wait and see............it's gonna be interesting...

 

[KCDAD]

I reckon the judgement will be pretty strict, afterall, it will determine our life for eternity not just a 100 years or so. But it is my understanding that once we repent of sins that the Lord does not keep account of them once they have been forgiven. I haven't looked at all the above mentioned scriptures.....too much for my little brain to take in all at once....but just from my personal understanding....I think the Lord will be a fair judge, and we will get what He believes we deserve.......wait and see............it's gonna be interesting...

Get what we deserve???? That is the cruelest threat ever!

Grace is abundant, God is merciful and whatever happens, it just doesn't matter one lick to what we should be doing here and now.

 

[GrannieAnnie]

I don't think it's a....cruel threat....a judge ...judges...and decides the fate of the person....God will be the same. He will judge us, and decide if our case will be....thrown out of court....and we go to Heaven....or if we are "criminals" and "deserve" punnishment....If He wasn't going to decide one of two senarious.....why would there be a need for a judgement !! I just makes sense to me, that He will decide in His wisdom what will happen to each of us. Seems simple to me....

 

[Soul Searcher]

I don't think it's a....cruel threat....a judge ...judges...and decides the fate of the person....God will be the same. He will judge us, and decide if our case will be....thrown out of court....and we go to Heaven....or if we are "criminals" and "deserve" punnishment....If He wasn't going to decide one of two senarious.....why would there be a need for a judgement !! I just makes sense to me, that He will decide in His wisdom what will happen to each of us. Seems simple to me....

Did you ever consider that judgment does not need to be about reward/penalty but to evaluate, each of us are different, each are in different situtations and react in our own way to each event in our lives. The judgment may look at our life, our actions and determine what must be done to put us on the right path. In the end any judgment that results in lost souls is unjust but one that restores all is supreme.

 

[JGL53]

Well, regarding christian holy scripture, it is my understanding that:

1. There were many different authors of thousands of jewish/christian writings, over many, many centuries, proposed as being inspired of god. Much room for error there.

2. Catholic prelates 300 years or more after the alleged time of christ selected a very small number (63?) of these writings to produce a canon - and by a simple majority vote (some books squeaked by by one vote.) Again, room for error.

3. None of the original writings were in English - and many have been translated from several languages several times before being translated into English. Again, room for error.

4. There are many versions (translations) of the holy canon produced, only one of which, at most, could be correct. Which one? - christians mightily disagree on this. More room for error.

5. There are over 10,000 sects of christianity, each of which professes to interpret holy scripture absolutely correctly. Which one - at most - of the 10,000 are not fooling themselves? LOTS of room for error.

6. In protestant thought, each person is his or her own priest and the H.R.C.C. is no authority at all (even though catholics prelates collected and voted - up or down - in determining what books the canon consist of). Thus, each christian may - or may not - be interpreting the canon correctly. There is much disagreement. Who - if any one - is right? All are equally sincere - but who is right? If any? SOMEBODY is in serious error - maybe Most?

There seems to be as much diversity of thought among christians as there are among any particular group of people on earth, now or in the past, religious or secular.

Atheists, however, agree EXACTLY on one point - they are convinced that monotheistic ontology is an apparent absurdity and is utterly lacking in plausibility - if proposed, that is, as historical and factual.

I suppose if atheists could offer any advice to christians it would be "Cut out all the internecine bickering and get it together - you're embarrassing yourselves."

 

[GrannieAnnie]

Isn't it a bit late to be ....set on the right path...after we're dead ? A mortal judge can try to set people on the right path, but once we're dead I thought God would just be making a "final" judgement as to our eternal fate!!! Excuse me if I sound ignorant !!!

 

[Soul Searcher]

Isn't it a bit late to be ....set on the right path...after we're dead ? A mortal judge can try to set people on the right path, but once we're dead I thought God would just be making a "final" judgement as to our eternal fate!!! Excuse me if I sound ignorant !!!

I suppose it could be a bit late if death were an obsticale but I don't see that as the case. We are talking about God and eternity here and with God all things are possible and in eternity it is never to late.

 

[GrannieAnnie]

Mmmm, well, I just thought the subject was about Gods judgement of us when we die....to me that would seem like a "final" judgement from Him, thus sealing our eternal fate. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens....

 

[Catherineanne]

But remember, that the judgement placed upon the wicked is not a stern lecture, nor is it a "slap on the hand," rather it is just as God's Word says it is, everlasting death.

Everlasting death is an nonsense. If it is death, it necessarily includes an ending. If it is everlasting, then it is not death, but immortality.

I would be interested to know exactly where in the Bible it is supposed to say what you claim above.

 

[Catherineanne]

Atheists, however, agree EXACTLY on one point - they are convinced that monotheistic ontology is an apparent absurdity and is utterly lacking in plausibility - if proposed, that is, as historical and factual.

I doubt if even atheism can claim such orthodoxy of belief. It is as liable to schism and heresy as any other faith system.

Such words mean nothing, and for sogenante scientific people to use such a subjective argument is highly entertaining. I could say in turn that atheism is an absurdity and lacks plausibility; neither opinion proves anything but opinion.

Such assertions are best left where they belong, in the playground, along with 'My dad is stronger than your dad!' and 'No he isn't!' That is about the level of debate that you are offering here, despite the non-Parsnip-buttering words.

 

[elman]

Everlasting death is an nonsense. If it is death, it necessarily includes an ending. If it is everlasting, then it is not death, but immortality.

I would be interested to know exactly where in the Bible it is supposed to say what you claim above.

Why would death not be death if it is forever?

 

[Soul Searcher]

Why would death not be death if it is forever?

The problem is that everlasting death is a nonsensical term. Death is the end of life. It is not an ongoing thing that lasts forever, it is the end and nothing that ends is eternal or ever lasting. On top of that many who refer to everlasting death are actually referring to the second death which they see as eternal torment in the lake of fire so when they say eternal death what they really mean is imortality in agony. Such people have 0 credibility as thier entire speech is filled with missleading words and phrases.

 

[JGL53]

I doubt if even atheism can claim such orthodoxy of belief. It is as liable to schism and heresy as any other faith system.

Such words mean nothing, and for sogenante scientific people to use such a subjective argument is highly entertaining. I could say in turn that atheism is an absurdity and lacks plausibility; neither opinion proves anything but opinion.

Such assertions are best left where they belong, in the playground, along with 'My dad is stronger than your dad!' and 'No he isn't!' That is about the level of debate that you are offering here, despite the non-Parsnip-buttering words.

Of course it is all opinion. The OP expresses one opinion, and I have an opinion that what was said is either false on its face - or meaningless.

Atheists are in agreement that the real existence of a god as defined in the orthodox monotheistic way is implausible to the point of conviction that such is either non-sensical, meaningless, and/or imaginary. There is no orthodox atheism vs. heterodox atheism on these points.

BTW, excuse my ignorance, but what in the wide, wide world of sports is a "sogenante" - if I may ask?