Judge Rules Not to Dismiss FOIA Lawsuit Filed over Obama’s Social Security Number

[HerbieHeadley]

“THE CASE GOES ON”

by Sharon Rondeau
Judge Royce Lamberth is the Chief Judge for the U.S. District Court in Washington, DC



(Jun. 3, 2011) — The Post & Email was contacted earlier today by Attorney Orly Taitz, who stated the following regarding her lawsuit, Taitz v. Astrue:
The judge did not dismiss my case against the Social Security Administration as the U.S. attorneys wanted, and he therefore ordered that the case will go on.
Also, the Department of Justice had asked to seal all of my pleadings because they contained the social security number which Obama has been using, but Judge Royce Lamberth ordered that I simply refile it, redacting the number, because it has already been out there. They wanted my complaints and my first amended complaint sealed, but Judge Lamberth said it could be refiled.

The Post & Email then asked if Lamberth’s decision took the place of the default judgment which Taitz had requested in May based on the government’s failure to respond within 30 days, and she said that by law, she believes she should have received a default judgment. “The government had 30 days to file a response to my complaint by May 5, but they didn’t respond until May 23, so I should have been entitled to a default judgment.”

Taitz also said, “We’re now in discovery, so I can issue subpoenas.” She said she would welcome the help of an attorney who is licensed in Washington, DC and Hawaii to compel the Hawaii Department of Health to release information she had requested last month. -----------------
Judge Rules Not to Dismiss FOIA Lawsuit Filed over Obama’s Social Security Number | The Post & Email

“Chief judge of the U. S. district court in the District of Columbia, Royce Lamberth, issued his scheduling order on June 1st. What is important, that it says, that the FOIA cases are exempt from the initial meet and confer, which means that there is no need for Rule 26 conference, so the discovery is on, which means, that the deposition of the White House Counsel regarding Obama’s fraudulent use of the Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425 and his use of the forged birth certificate, can go on. Robert Bauer could get deposed. Typically the White House gets an early warning of what is going on in courts, particularly in the DC courts. I wonder, if the White House Counsel Robert Bauer got information from one of the clerks, that the case will go on, which prompted his resignation the next day, on June the second. The clerks held on to this order and filed the June 1 order by judge Lamberth 2 days later, on June the 3rd. I got this information via PACER only a few minutes ago, even though I am the plaintiff on the case..”
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It looks as though Orly has finally got a case to get the elusive standing and discovery.



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There long have been concerns about the Social Security number.

"There is obviously a case of fraud going on here," says Ohio licensed private investigator Susan Daniels. "In 15 years of having a private investigator's license in Ohio, I've never seen the Social Security Administration make a mistake of issuing a Connecticut Social Security number to a person who lived in Hawaii. There is no family connection that would appear to explain the anomaly."

Does the Social Security Administration ever re-issue Social Security numbers?

"Never," Daniels told Corsi. "It's against the law for a person to have a re-issued or second Social Security Number issued."

Daniels said she is "staking my reputation on a conclusion that Obama's use of this Social Security Number is fraudulent."

"A person who wants to hide their true identity often picks up the Social Security Number of a deceased person, thinking that nobody would ever look into it," Daniels added. "I think it was sometime in the 1980s that Obama decided to hide who he really is."

There is no indication in the limited background documentation released by the Obama 2008 presidential campaign or by the White House to establish that Obama ever lived in Connecticut.

Nor is there any suggestion in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams from My Father," that he ever had a Connecticut address.

Also, nothing can be found in the public record that indicates Obama visited Connecticut during his high-school years.

An affidavit filed by Colorado private investigator John N. Sampson specifies that as a result of his formal training as an immigration officer and his 27-year career in professional law enforcement, "it is my knowledge and belief that Social Security Numbers can only be applied for in the state in which the applicant habitually resides and has their official residence."

Daniels told WND she believes Obama had a different Social Security Number when he worked as a teenager in Hawaii prior to 1977.

"I doubt this is President Obama's originally issued Social Security Number," she told WND. "Obama has a work history in Hawaii before he left the islands to attend college at Occidental College in California, so he must have originally been issued a Social Security Number in Hawaii."
The published record available about Obama indicates his first job as a teenager in Hawaii was at a Baskin-Robbins in the Makiki neighborhood on Oahu. USA Today reported the ice-cream shop still was in operation one year after Obama's inauguration.

Read more: Obama critic coming closer to Social Security records? Obama critic coming closer to Social Security records?

 

[Incariol]

*read first line*

No one cares. If anyone wants to waste their own money and the Justice Department's money with their insane games, that's their business.

 

[CTD]

*read first line*

No one cares. If anyone wants to waste their own money and the Justice Department's money with their insane games, that's their business.

You don't look like everyone to me. Neither have I ever seen apathy painted successfully as a virtue.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Sure smells like conspiracy theories in here. Something tells me this will go the same way as the May 21st Rapture myth...

 

[Incariol]

You don't look like everyone to me.

I'm speaking from experience of the interests of this forum's posters and their usual responses to this sort of conspiracy theory nonsense.

Neither have I ever seen apathy painted successfully as a virtue.

You just did.

 

[EdwinWillers]

*read first line*

No one cares. If anyone wants to waste their own money and the Justice Department's money with their insane games, that's their business.

I'm speaking from experience of the interests of this forum's posters and their usual responses to this sort of conspiracy theory nonsense.

Maybe you should've taken the anti-birther oath not to respond to topics like this then and, oh I don't know, not responded if you truly don't care.

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It's only a matter of time before the fraud-in-office is found out...

 

[MachZer0]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. 1976-1977 would be the time I would have expected Obama to apply for a Social Security number. However, if the number truly was used before, I wouldn't know if old numbers are reused. I would think not. It would also be interesting to see if he really did use other SSN's. You can change your SSN, but only under certain circumstances, not just on a whim. Will liberals be concerned about fraud or the abuse of power. No, they only direct their outarage at fraud and abuse of power when it involves conservatives.

 

[variant]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. 1976-1977 would be the time I would have expected Obama to apply for a Social Security number. However, if the number truly was used before, I wouldn't know if old numbers are reused. I would think not. It would also be interesting to see if he really did use other SSN's. You can change your SSN, but only under certain circumstances, not just on a whim. Will liberals be concerned about fraud or the abuse of power. No, they only direct their outarage at fraud and abuse of power when it involves conservatives.

Social Security numbers are not reused.

He could have a Connecticut SSN if he mailed his original application from Connecticut since SSN numbers are issued to the mailing address of the application rather than the persons home address.

So, Obama wouldn’t have to have lived in Connecticut he would have had to have mailed his application from there sometime before his first (legal) job.

 

[MachZer0]

Social Security numbers are not reused.

He could have a Connecticut SSN if he mailed his original application from Connecticut since SSN numbers are issued to the mailing address of the application rather than the persons home address.

So, Obama wouldn’t have to have lived in Connecticut he would have had to have mailed his application from there sometime before his first (legal) job.

According to SSA.gov, the first three numbers indicate the geographical region where the person resided when the number was issued.

Q18: Is there any significance to the numbers assigned in the Social Security Number?A: Yes. The first three digits are assigned by the geographical region in which the person was residing at the time he/she obtained a number. Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers. The remaining six digits in the number are more or less randomly assigned and were organized to facilitate the early manual bookkeeping operations associated with the creation of Social Security in the 1930s.

 

[Incariol]

Maybe you should've taken the anti-birther oath not to respond to topics like this then and, oh I don't know, not responded if you truly don't care.

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Why would I have done that?

It's only a matter of time before the fraud-in-office is found out...

Yes, conspiracy theorists in their tinfoil hats have been muttering that for years.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

This website:

Social Security Number (SSN) Reference Guide, List of SSN for each state

Says:

In the United States, a Social Security number (or SSN) is a number issued to citizens, permanent residents, and temporary working residents. The number is issued to an individual by the Social Security Administration, an agency of the federal government. Its primary purpose is tracking working individuals for taxation purposes and to track Social Security benefits. In recent years, the SSN has become a de facto national identification number, even though it is not supposed to be used as a form of identification.

There is no law directly requiring a natural born United States citizen to apply for a Social Security number, or SSN, to live or work in the United States. Although some people still live without a Social Security number, it is becoming ever increasingly difficult to engage in normal acts of commerce or banking activities without providing an SSN. Such prohibitions against persons that refuse to enter into what amounts to a voluntary government program, raises a variety of constitutional concerns.
Since 1972, social security numbers have been issued by the central office of the Social Security Administration. The first three (3) digits of a person's social security number are determined by the ZIP Code of the mailing address shown on the application for a social security number.

Prior to 1972, social security numbers were assigned by field offices. The number merely established that his/her card was issued by one of our offices in that State.

My number checks out. (even though I am a natural born Citizen and no law required I get one)

 

[EdwinWillers]

Why would I have done that?

For the reason you stated, that's all. It was only a suggestion.

Yes, conspiracy theorists in their tinfoil hats have been muttering that for years.

You do realize don't you that foil is no longer made of tin, and hasn't been since long before you were born? So the very presumption that "tinfoil hats" exist is itself a conspiracy, and those accusing others of wearing something that doesn't exist conspiratorialists themselves, the accusation grounded in employing something they think exists but which in fact doesn't.

 

[variant]

According to SSA.gov, the first three numbers indicate the geographical region where the person resided when the number was issued.

Q18: Is there any significance to the numbers assigned in the Social Security Number?A: Yes. The first three digits are assigned by the geographical region in which the person was residing at the time he/she obtained a number. Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers. The remaining six digits in the number are more or less randomly assigned and were organized to facilitate the early manual bookkeeping operations associated with the creation of Social Security in the 1930s.

See Herbies post

Since 1972, social security numbers have been issued by the central office of the Social Security Administration. The first three (3) digits of a person's social security number are determined by the ZIP Code of the mailing address shown on the application for a social security number.

He needed to have mailed the application from Conneticut.

 

[MachZer0]

See Herbies post



He needed to have mailed the application from Conneticut.

Did you miss my post which actually quoted the SSA?

 

[Saving Hawaii]

When do we get to see the long-form?

 

[DaisyDay]

Nice commentary at Taitz v. Astrue–Docketed - Oh, For Goodness Sake

 

[variant]

Did you miss my post which actually quoted the SSA?

If that is what you need:

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

The SSN Numbering Scheme

So, your wrong.

 

[Martingale]

TAITZ v ASTRUE

follow the actual documents filed here. you can't trust orly to give an honest description of them or the court's rulings.

 

[MachZer0]

If that is what you need:



The SSN Numbering Scheme

So, your wrong.

For the record, it's not me that's wrong. If I quote teh SSA and you quote the SSA and the quotes contradict, that means the SSA is contradicting itself. But then, you failed to quote the disclaimer on teh page you linked:

"This is an archival or historical document and may not reflect current policies or procedures"

 

[variant]

For the record, it's not me that's wrong. If I quote teh SSA and you quote the SSA and the quotes contradict, that means the SSA is contradicting itself. But then, you failed to quote the disclaimer on teh page you linked:

"This is an archival or historical document and may not reflect current policies or procedures"

The disclaimer means It reflects past procedures (think about what were talking about). Think about when the internet was invented.

Whoever wrote the Q&A made an incorrect generalization that you seem to think is valid, that people generally live where they mail in their SSN applications from, this is not always true.

The point being that no one need live in Conneticut to get a Conneticut ssn, so having one doesn’t prove or indicate anything nefarious is going on.

Or, you are wrong. I will amend to you have been misinformed if you like.