Judge Denies Release of Epstein Transcripts

[NxNW]

"We're going to get the drug prices down, not 30 or 40% which would be great. We will have reduced drug prices by 1000%, by 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400, 700, 600...'

More than 100%? I guess they're going to be paying us to take those drugs!

 

[Fantine]

I mean, Trump could claim immunity for any charges of opening the sealed Grand Jury files, by claiming it was part of the job of President. On the other hand, if his name is among the child molesters, he couldn't claim immunity for that.

Obviously pedophilia is not part of one's presidential duties, but just as obviously, the statute of limitations is past. In addition, the island where Epstein's bacchanalian orgies took place probably has no laws prohibiting his actions. So once again we are left wondering when, if ever, after years of betrayals and unacceptable behavior, Trump supporters will finally say they've had enough.
E. Jean Caroll resorted to the Civil courts to get justice from Trump, einning $83 million, primarily for defamation of character. Of course he's appealing. If he molested young teens, perhaps they could take him to the Civil courts to get justice in that way. If they filed their cases in state courts he wouldn't be able to stop them.

 

[Hans Blaster]

More than 100%? I guess they're going to be paying us to take those drugs!

Doc, I need some new prescriptions!

 

[Clare73]

What other president has called for that, unsealing of grand jury testimony?

Nobody is clamoring for the grand jury testimony; they are clamoring for the release of the client list (in whatever format) and the Epstein files.

Those are all included in the trial files, which the Court will not release because of child pornography.

 

[DaisyDay]

Those are all included in the trial files,

What trial files? Epstein's first or Maxwell's? If you mean the grand jury transcripts, then no, all that is not included.

which the Court will not release because of child pornography.

Baloney. How is child pornography prosecuted if no evidence can be shown?

We don't really need to see the evidence implicating Epstein or Maxwell, but the stuff that names the clients and collaborators.

 

[NxNW]

 

[Clare73]

What trial files? Epstein's first or Maxwell's? If you mean the grand jury transcripts, then no, all that is not included.

Baloney. How is child pornography prosecuted if no evidence can be shown?

The events occurred outside the boundaries of U.S. jurisdiction.

We don't really need to see the evidence implicating Epstein or Maxwell, but the stuff that names the clients and collaborators.

 

[DaisyDay]

The events occurred outside the boundaries of U.S. jurisdiction.

Which events? Both Epstein and Maxwell were tried and convicted for stuff within U.S. jurisdiction - obviously.

 

[Clare73]

Which events? Both Epstein and Maxwell were tried and convicted for stuff within U.S. jurisdiction - obviously.

Do you have an interest in his soliciting from, sex-trafficking of and, thereby, exposing those minors?

 

[DaisyDay]

Do you have an interest in his soliciting from, sex-trafficking of and, thereby, exposing those minors?

I don't understand your question. You seem to be saying that disclosing the client list would expose a minor (or former minor) - why?

You haven't answered mine yet.

 

[Clare73]

I don't understand your question. You seem to be saying that disclosing the client list would expose a minor (or former minor) - why?

You haven't answered mine yet.

Client list does not equal criminal act.

Did such "clients" even know they were on a list?

Is there proof of criminal activity of these "clients."

There is nothig actionable about a list.

But there could be a lot of legal consequences for those who release a list which neither demonstrates nor proves anything.

 

[DaisyDay]

You still haven't answered any of my questions:

• What trial files? Epstein's first or Maxwell's? If you mean the grand jury transcripts, then no, all that is not included.
  ...How is child pornography prosecuted if no evidence can be shown?

• Which events? Both Epstein and Maxwell were tried and convicted for stuff within U.S. jurisdiction - obviously.

• I don't understand your question. You seem to be saying that disclosing the client list would expose a minor (or former minor) - why?

Client list does not equal criminal act.

Who said it did? Other than Patel and Bongino.

Did such "clients" even know they were on a list?

If they were being blackmailed, then yes; otherwise, what difference would that make?

Is there proof of criminal activity of these "clients."

We don't know because the Epstein files have been suppressed and hidden.

There is nothig actionable about a list.

Prove it. Really, it depends on the list.

But there could be a lot of legal consequences for those who release a list which neither demonstrates nor proves anything.

Such as?

 

[Bradskii]

The events occurred outside the boundaries of U.S. jurisdiction.

That doesn't matter. From here: Can the US Prosecute Crimes Committed Abroad?

'While U.S. law is presumed to apply only domestically, Congress has enacted specific statutes that extend their reach. This authority is based on several established principles of international law that create a connection between the U.S. and a crime committed abroad.

• The “nationality principle,” which allows the U.S. to prosecute its own nationals for crimes committed anywhere in the world.
• The “passive personality principle,” which grants jurisdiction when the victim of a crime is a U.S. national, regardless of the offender’s nationality.

The U.S. also prosecutes its citizens for engaging in illicit sexual conduct with minors in foreign countries.'

Notwithstanding that Epstein's island in in the United States Virgin Islands. It's a US territory.