LDS JST MANGLES Romans 8:30

[drstevej]

JST (Joseph Smith Translation)
Moreover, him whom he did predestinate, him he also called; and him whom he called, him he also sanctified; and him whom he sanctified, him he also glorified.

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New International Version
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

English Standard Version
And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

New American Standard Bible
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

King James Bible
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.

International Standard Version
And those whom he predestined, he also called; and those whom he called, he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

NET Bible
And those he predestined, he also called; and those he called, he also justified; and those he justified, he also glorified.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And unto those whom he did mark out beforehand the way, to these he also called; and to whom he called, these he also justified; and to whom he justified, these he also glorified.

King James 2000 Bible
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

American King James Version
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

American Standard Version
and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And whom he predestinated, them he also called. And whom he called, them he also justified. And whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Darby Bible Translation
But whom he has predestinated, these also he has called; and whom he has called, these also he has justified; but whom he has justified, these also he has glorified.

English Revised Version
and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Webster's Bible Translation
Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

World English Bible
Whom he predestined, those he also called. Whom he called, those he also justified. Whom he justified, those he also glorified.

 

[drstevej]

The JST substitutes sanctified for justified.

These are different terms and every greek manuscript supports the term justification.

Some LDS claim that Joseph as a prophet restored what was intended. If this were the case, then it is not a TRANSLATION. That term is misleading since no translation of any greek manuscript can render this as sanctified.

Smith's rendering of sanctification props up a works salvation and presents a different gospel than taught by Paul when he used the greek term for justify (i.e. to declare righteous).

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I ask for an LDS member to do the following:

[1] cite one greek manuscript that uses the term for sanctification in Romans 8:30.
[2] explain why translation is not deceptive given Smith's rendering.
[3] Explain how this is not a violation of the 8th article of faith: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly."

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Please no off topic posts....

 

[drstevej]

bump

 

[Peter1000]

The JST substitutes sanctified for justified.

These are different terms and every greek manuscript supports the term justification.

Some LDS claim that Joseph as a prophet restored what was intended. If this were the case, then it is not a TRANSLATION. That term is misleading since no translation of any greek manuscript can render this as sanctified.

Smith's rendering of sanctification props up a works salvation and presents a different gospel than taught by Paul when he used the greek term for justify (i.e. to declare righteous).

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I ask for an LDS member to do the following:

[1] cite one greek manuscript that uses the term for sanctification in Romans 8:30.
[2] explain why translation is not deceptive given Smith's rendering.
[3] Explain how this is not a violation of the 8th article of faith: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly."

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Please no off topic posts....

So justify = to declare righteous. So if one is justified they are delared to be a righteous person.

So what does sanctified =?

 

[drstevej]

The Three Tenses of Salvation

PAST I have been saved from the Penalty of Sin >> Justification

PRESENT I am being saved from the Power of Sin >> Sanctification

FUTURE I shall be saved from the Presence of Sin >> Glorification

 

[Peter1000]

The Three Tenses of Salvation

PAST I have been saved from the Penalty of Sin >> Justification

PRESENT I am being saved from the Power of Sin >> Sanctification

FUTURE I shall be saved from the Presence of Sin >> Glorification

Can you have Glorification before you have been Sanctified?

According to your presentation, the answer is no. You must be justified (past), then sanctified (present) and then you can be glorified (future). Not justified, then directly to glorified.

The scripture seems to get ahead of itself, according to your presentation. It also says that a person is justified, then glorified. That goes against your past, present, future presentation.

So what is it? Is sanctified really a better word than justified, because once a person is sanctified, then they can be glorified.

Seems to me, from your presentation, sanctified would be a better word for Romans 8:30.

 

[drstevej]

I am justified based upon Christ's righteousness credited to me through faith. My glorification will be based on His perfect righteousness not mine.

Are YOU perfectly righteous? now? perhaps next week?

 

[Peter1000]

I am justified based upon Christ's righteousness credited to me through faith. My glorification will be based on His perfect righteousness not mine.

Are YOU perfectly righteous? now? perhaps next week?

According to your presentation, justification does not lead to glorification. Glorification comes after sanctification.

 

[drstevej]

Nope: Justification is the BASIS for our future glorification.

whom he justified, them he also glorified

 

[Rescued One]

According to your presentation, justification does not lead to glorification. Glorification comes after sanctification.

What you are saying is that having begun the process, God decides to not complete it.