Zippythepinhead
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Swart said:
Face east my friend, Face east! And don't forget your prayer rug. Mosque floors get dirty you know.
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Swart said:Shucks!
(Swart reaches for his Koran and a razorblade to shave his head. Now which direction is Mecca?)
Zippythepinhead said:Are you aware that JS prophicied of the US Civil War nearly thirty years before it happened?
Did you know he mentioned that South Carolina would lead the rebellion? Need references I can get them.
stinkyjoe said:So what does make someone a prophet, if not inspiration? Perhaps it has something to do with Numbers 11:29?
Jenda said:PROPHET
from Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
1 : one who utters divinely inspired revelations; specifically often capitalized : the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Old Testament
2 : one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight; especially : an inspired poet
3 : one who foretells future events : PREDICTOR
4 : an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group
from Compact Oxford English Dictionary
1 an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God.
2 a person who predicts the future.
3 a person who advocates a new belief or theory.
from American Heritage Dictionary
1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.
It seems that in most of these dictionaries, predicting the future is not even the main definition of prophet. Someone who speaks by divine inspiration is the main definition.
Blackmarch said:
So if it isn't being a prophet, but rather just being inspired to write for God, why isn't there more in the bible?
Romans5:1 said:Because he is different. First of all, the Mormon God "became" what he is, not that he always was God, as Christianity teaches. Second, what the Mormon God was prior to that has absolutely no resemblance to that taught in the Bible. First he was some nebulous "intelligence" who was for some arbitrary reason more intelligent than all the other intelligences who were floating about in some nebulous pool of intelligences. Then, when his Father and Mother (how they came into existence, as well as their ancestors, the Mormons haven't a clue) decided to have have children, he was brought forth from that pool, given a spirit body, as a spirit baby, who would grow up and be sent forth as a human being to go through "Eternal Progression" to become as his parents, a god. This means that there was a time when he sinned, and had to be redeemed, before he could attain godhood. NONE of aforementioned is even remotely close to describing what the Bible says about God the Father, who is the Creator of all things, is perfect in his aseity, and will forever be the same person that he has always been. I could go on, but hopefully you get the drift. The Mormon "God" is not the same person as that mentioned in the Bible that Christians recognize as the "only true God."
Which is only your opinion, thank goodness, because many, many, people believe otherwise.Romans5:1 said:Again, inspiration is what makes a person a prophet of God, aside from His calling. It is the very thing that Joseph Smith lacked, as evidenced in what he said and wrote.
I quoted what you said when I posted the definition of prophet, and this is what you said.Romans5:1 said:No one said that predicting the future was the main definition of a prophet. Conversely, you are repeating what I said earlier that divine inspiration is the main definition. Divine inspiration that the Joseph Smith lacked, as once again, evidenced in what he said and wrote.
You are contradicting yourself. Which is it?Just because someone is inspired of God to write for Him does not necessarily make that person a prophet.
Jenda said:Which is only your opinion, thank goodness, because many, many, people believe otherwise.
Jenda said:I quoted what you said when I posted the definition of prophet, and this is what you said.
You are contradicting yourself. Which is it?
this one wasn't asking what was missing, but rather why wasn't there more put in it since the apostles, like the writings of the apostalic fathers, various popes, and inspired leaders wrote?Romans5:1 said:What do you think is missing that has any bearing upon man's salvific stand with God, or how to walk after redemption?
Romans, I copy and pasted directly from your post. It is what you said.Romans5:1 said:No, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again.
Romans5:1 said:Again, inspiration is what makes a person a prophet of God, aside from His calling. It is the very thing that Joseph Smith lacked, as evidenced in what he said and wrote.
Romans5:1 said:I noticed, stinkyjoe, that you had no comment on the above. May I ask why not? Are you concurring that what Mormons believe about God is different than what the Bible teaches?
Trying to twist my words around isn't going to work. Everyone else knows (as do you, I'm sure), that I was responding to the part of your post where you claimed that Joseph Smith had no inspiration from God.Romans5:1 said:Believe what otherwise? That inspiration of God is NOT the primary criteria for the prophet to be writing or speaking? Okay. If the inspiration of God is NOT the primary criteria for defining who is and who is not a prophet, then just what do these "many, many people" you mention, believe the defining criteria for being a prophet of God to be?
Romans5:1 said:First, his so-called "prophecy" did not occur as he predicted. Second, anyone could "prophesize" something thirty years in advance, as Joseph Smith did, if they had enough advance warning via different media sources. To prove this, let me predict that in 30 years the United States and Europe will be involved in war with militant Islamic countries, gas prices will top $5.00 gallon, and a devasting earthquake will rock Los Angeles. Am I a prophet, or am I just someone who kinda-sorta follows the news and can make an educated guess?
South Carolina. Big whoop. It was well known that South Carolina had long been a state that wanted to secede from the union due to the slavery issue. In fact, can you guess which state was the first to call together its delegates to secede from the Union just after the election of Abraham Lincoln? The point is, everyone knew what was inevitably going to happen long before the Civil War broke out, and just because Joseph Smith mentions the very thing he had been reading about in his work of fiction hardly makes it a "prophecy."
Conversely, there are several things that Joseph Smith included in his Civil War prophecy that did NOT come to pass. (1) War was not poured out on all nations (D&C 87:2-3). (2) If "Great Britain" played a role in the Civil War, it was nominal at best, and hardly worth mention. (3) The slaves did not rise up against their masters (v. 4). (4) There were no such entitites as the "Gentiles" to be vexed. (5) The inhabitants of the earth did not experience famine, plague, earthquakes, thunder and lightning, nor the wrath and indignation from the hand of Almighty God, nor did the "full end of all nations" occur (v. 6). The bottom line is, that despite all the touting by the Mormons that Joseph Smith predicted the Civil War with any degree of accuracy, as some type of proof that he was a "prophet," upon closer examination, the Civil War pronouncements by him only served to prove just the opposite.
stinkyjoe said:Actually I was just waiting a little to see what others would write first.
It is obvious that Mormons have different ideas about the nature of God than what I've been taught. Maybe we should start a thread to discuss that. What they believe is strange, but then again we have no idea where God came from either. The idea that He simply always existed is kind of strange to me, also. He had to come from somewhere, didn't he? I guess it's just more than my mind can fathom.
As far as the God in the Bible is concerned, he's a pretty confusing being and I'm not sure exactly what he is like. The Bible seems to contradict itself on that a little bit.
Jenda said:Trying to twist my words around isn't going to work. Everyone else knows (as do you, I'm sure), that I was responding to the part of your post where you claimed that Joseph Smith had no inspiration from God.
Zippythepinhead said:Still(politely disagreeing) you failed to address the question in all those paragraphs. He did prophecy of the Civil War:
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