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If you are going to use that as a measuring line - you are going to spend thousands of hours decrying many many people.My post #155 spells it out...
If you are going to use that as a measuring line - you are going to spend thousands of hours decrying many many people.
I'm too busy preaching and demonstrating the Gospel - I just don't have the time, want or desire to waste my time complaining about someone I don't know - have no influence over and most likely never meet.Really ???
I don't see a throng of folks with such a public profile promoting a 'Gospelless' Christianity.
Thats Ok lol yeah I think a lot of Aussie lingo is less used today, maybe in the more rulral areas but no so much the cities. Steve Irwin God rest was famous for his lingo such as "Crikey" meaning being surprised especially when he came face to face with a big croc.Oh forgive me, you are quite right. While I do know a reasonable amount of Aussie dialect, I am far from being “Fair dinkum” as they used to say (perhaps they still do) and my attempts at using the dialect tend to go all pear shaped. Also contact with Kiwis like @Carl Emerson causes even more confusing because their vowel shift is different from the Aussie vowel shift.
I agree with this, but does he have to confess it to me? Is it not sufficient to confess it to the Lord, who is the authority that he is submitting to?Peterson has not confessed with His mouth that Jesus is Lord, so he is not saved.
Humanists have been misappropriating Christian ideas and attempting to use them for human betterment for thousands of years. They have tried to turn the mental advantage these ideas give against God by appropriating those ideas in the service of sinful aims.Jordan is presenting a case for the betterment of society by following Judeo Christian principles.
While this may help society, it will not save souls.
Satan does not care what we do as long as souls are not being saved.
What we end up with is a throng of followers that find justification for dismissing the Gospel in favour of principles.
The end result is a sophisticated humanitarianism with a religious cloak.
Meantime no angels rejoice because no one came to repentance.
I agree with this, but does he have to confess it to me? Is it not sufficient to confess it to the Lord, who is the authority that he is submitting to?
Perhaps Peterson is asking himself those very questions.
Not to you personally, but it would be irresponsible for any Christian to assume that he had confessed when he 1) has repeatedly stated in public in a non-persecuted country that he doesn't believe, and 2) he has not publicly confessed that he converted. I know he can be very roundabout in saying certain things which is a product of his intelligence, but it's not hard to say that you believe that God literally exists, and that his Son, Jesus Christ, bodily rose from the dead, and that the New Testament is true, and the Christian tradition is right. Christian intellectuals, both contemporary and historical, have done this. But last I checked, he hasn't. Therefore I cannot consider him to be a Christian.I agree with this, but does he have to confess it to me? Is it not sufficient to confess it to the Lord, who is the authority that he is submitting to?
Perhaps Peterson is asking himself those very questions.
Most public figures are politicians or celebrities who have something to gain by claiming the name of Christ. For politicians, it makes them appear ethical and conceals or excuses transgressions. For celebrities, it makes them look less sinful, like they are trying to change from their evil ways. For musicians, it allows them access to the niche Christian music market.Has he been baptized? Why is it that other public figures when they become a Christian seem to want to tell people?
I think the odds are 98% that Jordan Peterson does not believe the Gospel. Unfortunately, it is my understanding that intellectuals like Peterson conceal their personal beliefs frequently, and even consider them irrelevant to their discourse. They want to inspire people to think for themselves and not indoctrinate them with a belief system. When arguing with his detractors, Peterson has actually said "what I believe is irrelevant" multiple times. If you watch the transgender video above, the transpeople are confronting Peterson with beliefs and Peterson doesn't really have an answer for them.Not to you personally, but it would be irresponsible for any Christian to assume that he had confessed when he 1) has repeatedly stated in public in a non-persecuted country that he doesn't believe, and 2) he has not publicly confessed that he converted. I know he can be very roundabout in saying certain things which is a product of his intelligence, but it's not hard to say that you believe that God literally exists, and that his Son, Jesus Christ, bodily rose from the dead, and that the New Testament is true, and the Christian tradition is right. Christian intellectuals, both contemporary and historical, have done this. But last I checked, he hasn't. Therefore I cannot consider him to be a Christian.
My point is simply that Peterson has much to lose by confessing faith in the Gospel, so we cannot be 100% certain of his private beliefs.
My point is simply that Peterson has much to lose by confessing faith in the Gospel, so we cannot be 100% certain of his private beliefs.
Sorry, I messed up that sentence. What I meant to say was "My point is simply that Peterson has much to lose by publicly confessing faith in the Gospel, so we cannot be 100% certain of his private beliefs. " I forgot to distinguish public and private confessions. My apologies for the confusion, good sir.Romans 10:10
for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Sorry, I messed up that sentence. What I meant to say was "My point is simply that Peterson has much to lose by publicly confessing faith in the Gospel, so we cannot be 100% certain of his private beliefs. " I forgot to distinguish public and private confessions. My apologies for the confusion, good sir.
Eternally speaking, he does have much to gain from confessing Jesus as Lord. In terms of his chosen career, not so much to gain there.No problem, however I suggest he has much to gain by confessing faith in Jesus if indeed he has a real personal faith. Scripture makes it clear that confession is required for salvation.
Most public figures are politicians or celebrities who have something to gain by claiming the name of Christ. For politicians, it makes them appear ethical and conceals or excuses transgressions. For celebrities, it makes them look less sinful, like they are trying to change from their evil ways. For musicians, it allows them access to the niche Christian music market.
To my understanding, Peterson has never been baptized.
I think the odds are 98% that Jordan Peterson does not believe the Gospel. Unfortunately, it is my understanding that intellectuals like Peterson conceal their personal beliefs frequently, and even consider them irrelevant to their discourse. They want to inspire people to think for themselves and not indoctrinate them with a belief system. When arguing with his detractors, Peterson has actually said "what I believe is irrelevant" multiple times. If you watch the transgender video above, the transpeople are confronting Peterson with beliefs and Peterson doesn't really have an answer for them.
My point is simply that Peterson has much to lose by publicly confessing faith in the Gospel, so we cannot be 100% certain of his private beliefs.
I have listened to Jordan for several years. He's not a Christian and doesn't pretend to be one but I believe he is on his way to becoming one. Why? Because the man is strictly honest and has a genuine love for his fellow man. Both of those attributes are necessary in a Christian and allow the HS to work successfully on his heart. I believe he is the kind of person God wants in heaven and I trust God to do what is best for Jordan.Hi There,
I notice Dr. Jordan Peterson is getting a lot of air time.
My concern is that he not only has some appeal among the intellectual elite but from many in the body of Christ also.
I am not convinced that he has moved on from his Jungian philosophical base which is subtly deceptive and dismisses the heart of the Gospel.
I would love to be corrected if anyone can give hard facts that he has a living faith in Christ.
A wealth of common sense and a sharp mind is admirable but when 1500 including many believers fly to London to hear him I feel uneasy.
My take is that he is unlikely to embrace the Gospel until he renounces the Jungian atheistic concept of "archetypes" in which God is merely a concept that man needs to believe.
These aren't Christian attributes, they are American attributes. The rule of Jesus Christ is absolute. If you believe in the millennial kingdom on Earth, that will be an absolute monarchy and a totalitarian state. Further, Christians are called to submit to the governing authorities in whatever form they may take (see Romans 13).I would add to Jordan's other Christian attributes, he is a lover of liberty and despises totalitarianism. This is another one of his Christian attributes.
These aren't Christian attributes, they are American attributes. The rule of Jesus Christ is absolute. If you believe in the millennial kingdom on Earth, that will be an absolute monarchy and a totalitarian state. Further, Christians are called to submit to the governing authorities in whatever form they may take (see Romans 13).
The liberty we possess is freedom from sin, which in this case is the freedom to submit to the government and not be controlled by sin nature reactions.
Thats Ok lol yeah I think a lot of Aussie lingo is less used today, maybe in the more rulral areas but no so much the cities. Steve Irwin God rest was famous for his lingo such as "Crikey" meaning being surprised especially when he came face to face with a big croc.
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