John Piper in Relation to Historic Baptist Theology

[AndOne]

Brother, nothing you can say will change the fact that Piper embraced Warren, a flaming heretic, as a sound bible preacher, and said he preaches the same gospel.

Please provide proof that Warren is a heretic...

 

[faceofbear]

Please provide proof that Warren is a heretic...

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[AndOne]

Amazon.com: The Purpose Driven Life (QR Code Enhanced Edition): What on Earth Am I Here For? (Purpose Driven Life, The) (9780310334194): Rick Warren: Books

I read it - there is nothing in it heretical. Shallow, boring, oversimplified, and elementary? - Yes. Heretical - I don't think so...

 

[Hammster]

I read it - there is nothing in it heretical. Shallow, boring, oversimplified, and elementary? - Yes. Heretical - I don't think so...

BB, it seems we have a new standard of orthodoxy that only a few, mostly dead guys can attain.

 

[faceofbear]

delete

 

[the particular baptist]

BB, it seems we have a new standard of orthodoxy that only a few, mostly dead guys can attain.

Whatever bro. Its not how you, I, or Piper starts, or our overall body of work. Its how one finishes. I cant even believe there are so called free grace people here who look at Warren and not see a wolf.

Unsubscribing.

 

[the particular baptist]

Please provide proof that Warren is a heretic...

Youtube him. Good grief. He's a wolf.

 

[JM]

Perfect theology is NOT a requirement for salvation...but sharing a pulpit with Warren?

 

[student ad x]

Here's Pastor Warren's Arminian gospel:

Rick Warren Presents the Gospel - Today's Christian Videos - GodTube

 

[student ad x]

.......... Do you find that the linchpin of Piper's problem is his teaching that the human will makes the atonement efficacious for them and brings it from a "potentiality" to a "reality"? Does he really teach this? It sounds more like Geisler to me than someone who strongly claims to be a Calvinist the way Piper does.

Hey Ken

Off the top of my head, I'd say Piper's compatibilism is going a bit too far for most "Reformed" folk. I don't have examples, but if I have some time and if I can remember what I read that made me scratch my head, I'll post it or pm you.

humbly,
SAX

 

[AndOne]

Perfect theology is NOT a requirement for salvation...

I agree

 

[JM]

I disagree with this statement. If this were the case no one would be saved.

I meant, "Perfect theology IS NOT a requirement for salvation..." I've posted that statement on this forum many times. I changed the post, please change the quote, thanks.

 

[faceofbear]

I meant, "Perfect theology IS NOT a requirement for salvation..." I've posted that statement on this forum many times. I changed the post, please change the quote, thanks.

I've a question about this.

If our theology is incorrect, doesn't that mean we are idolizing a different god? I don't claim to have nearly perfect theology, or heck, even correct theology in many regards, but it's something I've questioned before.

 

[kenrapoza]

I've a question about this.

If our theology is incorrect, doesn't that mean we are idolizing a different god? I don't claim to have nearly perfect theology, or heck, even correct theology in many regards, but it's something I've questioned before.

Certainly that can become the case, but our misunderstandings about how God has chosen to work don't always amount to us worshiping a different god. Certainly this is the case with secondary and tertiary doctrines that are inferences and deductions from more central ones. Many of us will differ on lapsarianism or the nature of the sacraments. One Biblical example that comes to mind is the woman who believed that if she just touched the hem of Jesus' garment she would be healed from her hemorrhage. This woman's faith was obviously messy (like ours' is) and mixed with misunderstanding and remaining superstition. Jesus corrected her but didn't condemn her - in fact he pronounced a benediction upon her before she left. I imagine that many of us don't hold to misunderstandings that are as significant as her, though we do have much more light than she did prior to meeting Christ in person.

I think one of the most prevalent, and dangerous, ways of thinking about our relationship with God is that it is a give and take, a partnership. If I do this, then God must do that (such as bless me or answer my prayer or whatever). This is very common in pop-American Christianity and I do worry that many such people are worshiping a different god.

 

[AndOne]

I meant, "Perfect theology IS NOT a requirement for salvation..." I've posted that statement on this forum many times. I changed the post, please change the quote, thanks.

Done brother - glad it was just a slip on your part....

 

[JM]

I agree with you...no one would be saved if we had to have perfect theology.

 

[kenrapoza]

Here's Pastor Warren's Arminian gospel:

Rick Warren Presents the Gospel - Today's Christian Videos - GodTube

Oh my...that was some serious man-centered synergism. Reminds me of my years in broad evangelicalism before discovering the Reformation.

Here's another short video that corrects Warren's error:

YouTube - Justification by Jesus Christ Alone (John Gerstner)

It was previously posted by Osage Bluestem in Semper Reformanda, I'm stealing his link.

 

[the particular baptist]

Oh my...that was some serious man-centered synergism. Reminds me of my years in broad evangelicalism before discovering the Reformation.

Here's another short video that corrects Warren's error:

Warren is a will worshiper. The god he worships and teaches is not the God of the Bible. The god he peddles is decrepid old man begging at the feet of the almighty free will of man.

Thanks for pointing it out. I was beginning to think the baptist room at CF was really bizzaro world.