John McCain pro/con

[LJSGM]

Nope, I'm pretty excited about Obama myself, even if there wasn't ever a Bush.

 

[tulc]

Yes, thanks for asking. I don't think anyone really wants Obama, look, only 83 pro obama posts in the thread. I think many people are very upset with bush and are going against anything Republican, much like in 2006.

One of the things about the Obama pro/con thread was the mods also folded all the Obama threads into it for a few months now, so you would have a several page thread about what ever was the latest and it would suddenly be in the Obama pro/con thread. Now there have been a LOT of threads about Obama (mostly anti) and since a thread used to spit after a 1,000 posts...well you do the math. I agree with you about the "anyone but Bush" sentiment playing a big role in a lot of people "supporting" Obama, but the truth is I've liked Obama from well before he was known much outside of Illinois.
tulc(will now stop talking about Obama in the McCain pro/con thread)

 

[eldermike]

Oh yeah...the old guy that thinks the American economy has "strong" "fundamentals"...

The truth is, they are sound, He should not have backed away from what he said.
I suppose his advisors told him that most people know nothing to speak of about the economy, and they vote, so it's best to play the political game. I for one am not happy to see McCain playing into talking points.
The american market place is the best in the world, that's why the world is watching to see what's done with this securities market mess. Clintons mess finally caught up with all of us, it will get fixed. When the dust settles and the elections are over the real story will come out. A single law allowing loans to be bundled into a product and sold is the cluprit here. It allowed lenders to hide bad loans and it took a few years for the thing to blow up. The basic socialists idea that everyone should own a home and credit should be easy to get is at the root of this problem. That was a "change" that came to Washington a few years back. Wait till you see the next round of "change"!

But aside from that, the basic fundamentals of our economy are sound.

 

[JGL53]

So if McCain and Palin are elected then we're going to have a thermonuclear war and it will be the end of the world as we know it.

This from the people that pillory Republicans for using scare tactics.

I'm learning from the best, pardner.

 

[GregorytheGood]

[So if McCain and Palin are elected then we're going to have a thermonuclear war and it will be the end of the world as we know it.

This from the people that pillory Republicans for using scare tactics.]

Well, traditionally, it is the right-wing who use scare tactics. Only, this time the difference is, there are REAL things to be scared of.

bye bye government of the people, for the people.
so long healthcare, and social security.
adios safety.
aufwiedersehen affordable food.

 

[MachZer0]

[So if McCain and Palin are elected then we're going to have a thermonuclear war and it will be the end of the world as we know it.

This from the people that pillory Republicans for using scare tactics.]

Well, traditionally, it is the right-wing who use scare tactics.

Well, that's certainly not true. Democrats use scare tactics every campaign. Such as the following from you

Only, this time the difference is, there are REAL things to be scared of.

bye bye government of the people, for the people.
so long healthcare, and social security.
adios safety.
aufwiedersehen affordable food.

Add to that the ever present fear injected in the campaigns the fear that Republicans are going to take away Social Security. A cartoon of Bush pushing an old lady in a wheelchair down the stairs comes to mind. Don't forget the race fears such as Democrats promising us that if Republicans win, black churches will burn. And this isn't new. Don't forget the LBJ ads purporting the inevitability of nuclear war if Goldwater won.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Well, that's certainly not true. Democrats use scare tactics every campaign. Such as the following from you

I seem to recall someone on this very message board claiming that if we elected McCain/Palin it would essentially mean the end of the world.

 

[tulc]

Well, that's certainly not true. Democrats use scare tactics every campaign. Such as the following from youAdd to that the ever present fear injected in the campaigns the fear that Republicans are going to take away Social Security. A cartoon of Bush pushing an old lady in a wheelchair down the stairs comes to mind. Don't forget the race fears such as Democrats promising us that if Republicans win, black churches will burn. And this isn't new. Don't forget the LBJ ads purporting the inevitability of nuclear war if Goldwater won.

Oh man! I think I remember those ads!
tulc(I miss Goldwater)

 

[revanneosl]

Goldwater! Yes, please! Can we have Goldwater back now? Or Nelson Rockefeller? Or Thomas Dewey? Or William F. Buckley? Or even 2000McCain? Anybody who actually cares about Country ahead of Party?

I'll vote for Bob Dole now. Seriously. Can we please have Bob Dole back?

 

[GeorgeKillen]

Goldwater! Yes, please! Can we have Goldwater back now? Or Nelson Rockefeller? Or Thomas Dewey? Or William F. Buckley? Or even 2000McCain? Anybody who actually cares about Country ahead of Party?

I'll vote for Bob Dole now. Seriously. Can we please have Bob Dole back?

Interesting thing is that Obama is the one that has voted 90 some odd percent with his party while McCain has crossed party lines more than any other. Who cares more about party again?

 

[JGL53]

Interesting thing is that Obama is the one that has voted 90 some odd percent with his party while McCain has crossed party lines more than any other...

But McCain has drank the Kool-Aid and crossed back, basically crawled back, to the Dark Side of politics. I.e., in the last three years or so he has reversed himself on nearly every important major issue in order to court the right wing base. Right now, McCain = 90 per cent Bush.

 

[GeorgeKillen]

That 90%, is that the number of time McCain has voted with his party? If so, it could only be considered honestly if the same was posted for obama. Do you happen to know what the percentage is for Obama? I don't have the number, but my guess would be that it is roughly the same and most likely higher as obama rarely if ever has crossed party lines.

Take this idea one step further, if obama was president, what percentage of the time would you prefer other dems vote with him? What percentage should they vote against him?

 

[JGL53]

That 90%, is that the number of time McCain has voted with his party? If so, it could only be considered honestly if the same was posted for obama. Do you happen to know what the percentage is for Obama? I don't have the number, but my guess would be that it is roughly the same and most likely higher as obama rarely if ever has crossed party lines.

Take this idea one step further, if obama was president, what percentage of the time would you prefer other dems vote with him? What percentage should they vote against him?

If we are talking preferences here, I prefer we all go back in a time machine to 2000 and teach about 4,000 old Jews in Miami how to punch the correct chad out so we could have avoided the trashing of the constitution and 1 trillion dollars wasted and 4,100 dead American military. Maybe even avoided 9/11 since Gore just might have taken seriously the report "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the United States".

In any case, if McCain voted 90 per cent with Bush, and Obama voted 90 per cent with his Democratic buddies, and we can get that information out to the American people, then why would Obama not win in a landslide? I.e., it seems obvious to me that McCain = 90 per cent Bush is not a winner in a majority of states.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

But McCain has drank the Kool-Aid and crossed back, basically crawled back, to the Dark Side of politics. I.e., in the last three years or so he has reversed himself on nearly every important major issue in order to court the right wing base. Right now, McCain = 90 per cent Bush.

McCain is like Tarkin and Cheney is like Vader.


And Obama is Motti.

 

[JGL53]

McCain is like Tarkin and Cheney is like Vader.


And Obama is Motti.

I don't see Obama as some divinely annointed Savior of the Nation.

I see him as the only one in position now to save us all from John McCain and Sarah Palin and the legacy of Bush/Cheney/Rove.

 

[MachZer0]

I don't see Obama as some divinely annointed Savior of the Nation.

Apparently, Obama doesn't see himself as any kind of savior either. While McCain is in Washington doing his job as a Senator trying to save us from disaster, Obama is down in Mississippi twiddling his thumbs.

 

[eldermike]

Apparently, Obama doesn't see himself as any kind of savior either. While McCain is in Washington doing his job as a Senator trying to save us from disaster, Obama is down in Mississippi twiddling his thumbs.

I believe, based on the rules of the senate, Obama will not be allow Obama to vote present from Mississippi.

 

[MachZer0]

I believe, based on the rules of the senate, Obama will not be allow Obama to vote present from Mississippi.

Last I heard, he was shamed into changing his mind and decided to go to Washington. So he may have a chance to cast his vote after all. One has to wonder why Obama always has to be shamed into doing the right thing

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I don't see Obama as some divinely annointed Savior of the Nation.

I see him as the only one in position now to save us all from John McCain and Sarah Palin and the legacy of Bush/Cheney/Rove.

McCain has never been a pal of George Bush. Palin is a breath of fresh air.

Obama is a politician as thick as thieves as any from the Chicago "the highest taxes in America" corrupt culture.

 

[JGL53]

McCain has never been a pal of George Bush...

No, they are not JUST pals. Gay love is a more apt description (not that there's anything wrong with that):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1188858/posts

...Palin is a breath of fresh air...

What's so refreshing about her? Her witch-hunting preacher who laid hands on her to bless her political ambitions? Her out of control children? Her hiring (as governor) of some of her unqualified high school buddies and other cronies? Her power mad attempts to fire anyone who doesn't hop when she says "jump"? Her lying about the infamous Bridge to Nowhere? Her hiring a lobbyist to get more than $47 million earmarks for her town of 6,000, yet says that she supports McCain's anti-ear mark agenda?

Shall I go on? Do you in fact KNOW anything about Sarah Palin?

...Obama is a politician as thick as thieves as any from the Chicago "the highest taxes in America" corrupt culture.

That is a smear and a slur on a good Christian man. Something has apparently hardened your heart. I've not read my bible in a while, but I feel confident there are more than just a few verses that condemn such words.

Please pray about this in your spare time, then get back to us.