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"restored to that nation." Was the kingdom of God ever the task of Israel only?
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John Hagee - False Prophet?
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That is YOUR books based reasoning into all that.
Fact is that the Spirit verified through John the Baptist's father the promised restoration of Israel's kingdom, in Luke 1:67 forward. While, in Luke 24, the Lord "opened their umderstanding" of that.
And Acts 1 continues that same understanding.
Acts 2's "raised to sit" is in the sense of Hebrews 2:5's and 2:8's "not yet."
Your bias just won't allow you to at least consider exploring these issues from passages like these.
Nevertheless, if you've believed Rom. 5:8 - "you're complete"
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This side of "that which is perfect" the only time your liable to see a "gift" of prophecy is when someone gives you a Bible as "a gift"
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This is so true. Prophecy is a blessed gift.
People should strive for God's blessings and not His curse. He'll look into your heart, determine your motive and either bless you or put a curse on you.The blessings are easy to observe, but the curses are what kills many people because of the deception they're in and not realize they're under a curse. People need to remember, if you deceive others, God will allow you to be deceive.
Genesis 12:3 (NKJV)
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.
Deuteronomy 28:15 (NKJV)
But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
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Acts 2's "raised to sit" is in the sense of Hebrews 2:5's and 2:8's "not yet."
Yet this is what "by faith, not by sight" has always meant. The futurist complains that the kingdom will be on this earth by sight, but diminishes that which is by faith (due to a lack of faith) and never quotes Jesus' saying that the kingdom of God is not the kind about which you will say 'here it is' or 'see, there it is.'
Early Christian preaching was therefore subversive for both Judaism and Roman theology (its divine emperors). Because Jesus was declared Lord and reigning by the apostles, and everyone, even rulers and authorities, should be submitting to him.
This had an effect on Emperor Vespasian at one point, even before the chilling episode of Vesuvius. He actually tried to impose penalties on adultery because Roman households were notorious for sexual misconduct. It didn't work out very well, but you can see the point. He'd heard a warning from a Christian and believed he should do something.
Yes, there were a few prophets in the NT who announced short term predictions. The gift is not those who are futurists today, because there is no 2P2P in the Bible. It is a mistaken Judaistic conception.
Acts 2's "raised to sit" is in the sense of Hebrews 2:5's and 2:8's "not yet."
Yet this is what "by faith, not by sight" has always meant. The futurist complains that the kingdom will be on this earth by sight, but diminishes that which is by faith (due to a lack of faith) and never quotes Jesus' saying that the kingdom of God is not the kind about which you will say 'here it is' or 'see, there it is.'
Early Christian preaching was therefore subversive for both Judaism and Roman theology (its divine emperors). Because Jesus was declared Lord and reigning by the apostles, and everyone, even rulers and authorities, should be submitting to him.
This had an effect on Emperor Vespasian at one point, even before the chilling episode of Vesuvius. He actually tried to impose penalties on adultery because Roman households were notorious for sexual misconduct. It didn't work out very well, but you can see the point. He'd heard a warning from a Christian and believed he should do something.
Yes, there were a few prophets in the NT who announced short term predictions. The gift is not those who are futurists today, because there is no 2P2P in the Bible. It is a mistaken Judaistic conception.
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That is YOUR books based reasoning into all that.
Fact is that the Spirit verified through John the Baptist's father the promised restoration of Israel's kingdom, in Luke 1:67 forward. While, in Luke 24, the Lord "opened their umderstanding" of that.
And Acts 1 continues that same understanding.
Acts 2's "raised to sit" is in the sense of Hebrews 2:5's and 2:8's "not yet."
Your bias just won't allow you to at least consider exploring these issues from passages like these.
Nevertheless, if you've believed Rom. 5:8 - "you're complete"
This is Zacharias, father of John the Baptist:
"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life." -- Luke 1:67-75
The enemies of the children of Israel at that time were their apostate leaders, who had them in the bondage of a myriad of rules and regulations. Christ released the children of Israel from the bondage of their leaders.
The fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant required the inclusion of the Gentiles in order for all nations to be blessed.
As Zechariah said, all were fulfilled in Christ--who inherited all the promises of both the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants, and who shares them freely with those who believe in Him.
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That's because, seeing one thing you are unable to understand what the Lord was actually saying to His "sign" people.
All the way back to the "sign" of their status before Him: circumcision, all the way back to their instruction IN the Law they were to "believe to see" God's will for or against them when, for example, even the skies went dry [no rain], "for a sign."
They were a walk by sight in faith, the Body, being spiritual is the opposite of that.
Even lost as can be Cecil B. DeMille got that part right, in Charleton Heston's "SEE the salvation of your God," at which God parts the Red Sea [and apparantly completely dries its ground just as quickly - at least "in the movies," lol]. But he did get that "SEE" part right, for walk by sight in faith they were left with no choice but to that astounding day, Ex. 14.
Get over your 2P2P notions, this is about the DISTINCTION BETWEEN Prophecy and Mystery
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That was just my own read on it, I had a feeling that it wouldn't coincide with all interpretations.
The last book that I bought was in 1982, It was the sequel to The Late Great Planet Earth. I got the original one for free when I was 12.
After that I think that I got a free one in the mail from Herbert W. Armstrong. It was called The United States and Britain in prophecy.
I wouldn't read any of those ones again.
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"I wouldn't read any of those ones again"
I wouldn't either
Especially HWA .... BI theology is a total ruse .... and would you believe that spin-offs of the WWCG still teach BI today
Now Hal is a different matter .... he understands much truth, but his resistance to revise parts of his view like a Euro/Roman anti-christ and his evaluation of the RCC has hurt him .... because it is an error
He carries much of the reformers views in this regard which are flawed
However, he is now coming around as I see by reading his current reporting as he observes today's Middle East and the things that are taking place there
The problem with taking a standing on a flawed theology is that one eventually has to admit error and to make revisions ..... and this is the rub ..... those who do this fear loss of credibility
But having to go back to the drawing board should always be done when teaching the Lord's prophetic word ..... regardless of any perceived or actual loss of a following
I wouldn't either
Especially HWA .... BI theology is a total ruse .... and would you believe that spin-offs of the WWCG still teach BI today
Now Hal is a different matter .... he understands much truth, but his resistance to revise parts of his view like a Euro/Roman anti-christ and his evaluation of the RCC has hurt him .... because it is an error
He carries much of the reformers views in this regard which are flawed
However, he is now coming around as I see by reading his current reporting as he observes today's Middle East and the things that are taking place there
The problem with taking a standing on a flawed theology is that one eventually has to admit error and to make revisions ..... and this is the rub ..... those who do this fear loss of credibility
But having to go back to the drawing board should always be done when teaching the Lord's prophetic word ..... regardless of any perceived or actual loss of a following
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