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<blockquote data-quote="Ana the Ist" data-source="post: 77254085" data-attributes="member: 302807"><p>Well there's your problem.</p><p></p><p>Plenty of media sources claiming expert analysis and inside information were claiming it was Russia.</p><p></p><p>Your assertions about whatever the general public was "aware" of don't mean anything. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You keep saying "documentation" as if the Australians were recording the conversation with Papadopoulos. There's no recording...and therefore, no documentation. That's an allegation by a politically biased foreign actor.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course it matters. They charged him with lying to the FBI. That's not conspiring with Russian representatives. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Allegation. No documentation was provided by the Australians.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right....something they came forward with, after Russians released Hillary's emails. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No documents. Allegations.</p><p></p><p>If I write a fictional story on paper...that doesn't make it true, even if I claim it is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This would have been meaningful if they shared it BEFORE it happened. They didn't though...so it's just an allegation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Allegations.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Allege. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nor do I....those are allegations though...not documentation. Even worse, if they don't allege a crime, why did the FBI move to a full criminal investigation? We would call that a witch hunt.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Allegedly. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Allegation. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They were running with the same narrative the Hillary campaign ran with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There wasn't evidence that Russia was involving Trump or that they were in cahoots. That's what you would need to investigate his campaign. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's entirely possible he's correct. The Russians were claiming to have information about Hillary cooking up the email release to blame Russia and smear Trump. I don't know if that was misinformation or if they had something. I'm sure you remember this...</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-intelligence/cia-nsa-chiefs-opposed-release-of-unverified-russia-intelligence-to-republican-lawmaker-sources-idUSKBN26M7JO[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'm glad that this cheap attempt by an intelligence agency was denounced and discredited by all sides...even though no one doubts the information was legitimate. It's just Russians speculating about the 2016 campaign. Odd then....that this same community was completely silent when multiple former coworkers all decided to spread disinformation for the Biden campaign. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it probably was....did those indictments result in any confessions?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's certainly a possibility. Turns out our intelligence community isn't so good at keeping secrets or informing thr public about facts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm definitely not claiming that. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Allegations. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not evidence....and frankly, I'm inclined to believe that you know it.</p><p></p><p>You've called the Australian allegations "documentation" so many times it looks like a deliberate and not so subtle attempt to reframe the legitimacy of the allegations. </p><p></p><p>The FBI knew this was uncorroborated. They knew it was just allegation. </p><p></p><p>That's why they ran multiple attempts to elicit a similar disclosure from Papadopoulos to undercover agents. He didn't. Instead, he vehemently denied Russian involvement and said that it was all lies from the Hillary campaign. That's a rather odd flip flop.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll go back and look.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to be lacking a point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe. Maybe they thought the Russians were trying to play them and help Hillary. Who knows. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or they thought it was a trap by the FBI.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're assuming a lot. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See the declassified intelligence I linked above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See the declassified intelligence I linked above. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Where do you think that the Steele Dossier came from? The Moscow banking lies? Either Steele made it up wholesale or it came from his Russian source as he claimed. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Possibly. Didn't happen though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hillary hurt Hillary more than she helped Hillary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ana the Ist, post: 77254085, member: 302807"] Well there's your problem. Plenty of media sources claiming expert analysis and inside information were claiming it was Russia. Your assertions about whatever the general public was "aware" of don't mean anything. You keep saying "documentation" as if the Australians were recording the conversation with Papadopoulos. There's no recording...and therefore, no documentation. That's an allegation by a politically biased foreign actor. Of course it matters. They charged him with lying to the FBI. That's not conspiring with Russian representatives. Allegation. No documentation was provided by the Australians. Right....something they came forward with, after Russians released Hillary's emails. No documents. Allegations. If I write a fictional story on paper...that doesn't make it true, even if I claim it is. This would have been meaningful if they shared it BEFORE it happened. They didn't though...so it's just an allegation. Allegations. Allege. Nor do I....those are allegations though...not documentation. Even worse, if they don't allege a crime, why did the FBI move to a full criminal investigation? We would call that a witch hunt. Allegedly. Allegation. They were running with the same narrative the Hillary campaign ran with. Ok. Ok. There wasn't evidence that Russia was involving Trump or that they were in cahoots. That's what you would need to investigate his campaign. It's entirely possible he's correct. The Russians were claiming to have information about Hillary cooking up the email release to blame Russia and smear Trump. I don't know if that was misinformation or if they had something. I'm sure you remember this... [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-intelligence/cia-nsa-chiefs-opposed-release-of-unverified-russia-intelligence-to-republican-lawmaker-sources-idUSKBN26M7JO[/URL] Personally, I'm glad that this cheap attempt by an intelligence agency was denounced and discredited by all sides...even though no one doubts the information was legitimate. It's just Russians speculating about the 2016 campaign. Odd then....that this same community was completely silent when multiple former coworkers all decided to spread disinformation for the Biden campaign. I think it probably was....did those indictments result in any confessions? It's certainly a possibility. Turns out our intelligence community isn't so good at keeping secrets or informing thr public about facts. I'm definitely not claiming that. Allegations. It's not evidence....and frankly, I'm inclined to believe that you know it. You've called the Australian allegations "documentation" so many times it looks like a deliberate and not so subtle attempt to reframe the legitimacy of the allegations. The FBI knew this was uncorroborated. They knew it was just allegation. That's why they ran multiple attempts to elicit a similar disclosure from Papadopoulos to undercover agents. He didn't. Instead, he vehemently denied Russian involvement and said that it was all lies from the Hillary campaign. That's a rather odd flip flop. I'll go back and look. And? You seem to be lacking a point. Maybe. Maybe they thought the Russians were trying to play them and help Hillary. Who knows. Or they thought it was a trap by the FBI. You're assuming a lot. See the declassified intelligence I linked above. See the declassified intelligence I linked above. Where do you think that the Steele Dossier came from? The Moscow banking lies? Either Steele made it up wholesale or it came from his Russian source as he claimed. Possibly. Didn't happen though. Hillary hurt Hillary more than she helped Hillary. [/QUOTE]
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