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Can someone please explain how this doesn't equal 4 beings?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2
"He was with God in the beginning."

What is God? God is comprised of 3-in-1.
The Word was with God.
He was with God.
The 1 was with 3-in-1. Therefore, 4-in-1?

How do you combat this thought? In the beginning, did God only comprise of 2-in-1?
Why doesn't it just say "The Word was with the Father"?
 

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Before the beginning of space and time, God. The Word was One with God. The Holy Spirit was One with God. God (elohim) created everything. Nothing created came into being without Him.
 
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God the Father
Jesus the Son
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Word of God is God
His ways are not our ways and thats what makes Him such a magnificent God
No eye has seen, no ear has heard all that the Father has prepared for us
But I believe when we "speak" the word of God, quoting it outloud, there again (we) are creating things as well
Because His word is alive and living
His word has life, His word is life, He is the word
 
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Can someone please explain how this doesn't equal 4 beings?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2
"He was with God in the beginning."

What is God? God is comprised of 3-in-1.
The Word was with God.
He was with God.
The 1 was with 3-in-1. Therefore, 4-in-1?

How do you combat this thought? In the beginning, did God only comprise of 2-in-1?
Why doesn't it just say "The Word was with the Father"?

I am thankful every day that God the Father, sent Lamb of God, to walk among man on earth, where He died for my sins, shedding His blood on the cross, that through accepting Jesus, I may receive salvation and His Holy Spirit, and enter Heaven one day.
 
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Can someone please explain how this doesn't equal 4 beings?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2
"He was with God in the beginning."

What is God? God is comprised of 3-in-1.
The Word was with God.
He was with God.
The 1 was with 3-in-1. Therefore, 4-in-1?

How do you combat this thought? In the beginning, did God only comprise of 2-in-1?
Why doesn't it just say "The Word was with the Father"?
It doesn't equal 4... it is poetic language used to depict a being outside of time and space in a realm we really can't even fully fathom. So this give us something to hold on to... "In the beginning was the Word" and the concept of "word" was found in Jewish writings before the time of messiah. They saw the word as that aspect of God that could interact and perhaps manipulate the physical realm. The word was with God but WAS God... and the word became flesh. It is just one God doing that which only He could do... come into creation in order to do what was necessary to restore the creation.
 
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Can someone please explain how this doesn't equal 4 beings?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2
"He was with God in the beginning."

What is God? God is comprised of 3-in-1.
The Word was with God.
He was with God.
The 1 was with 3-in-1. Therefore, 4-in-1?

How do you combat this thought? In the beginning, did God only comprise of 2-in-1?
Why doesn't it just say "The Word was with the Father"?
Finite math and concepts just ain't gonna comprehend the infinite...forget it Charlie.
 
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Can someone please explain how this doesn't equal 4 beings?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2
"He was with God in the beginning."

What is God? God is comprised of 3-in-1.
The Word was with God.
He was with God.
The 1 was with 3-in-1. Therefore, 4-in-1?

How do you combat this thought? In the beginning, did God only comprise of 2-in-1?
Why doesn't it just say "The Word was with the Father"?

When John says "The Word," he is citing the identity of Jesus BEFORE Jesus became incarnate in the body of Mary. That's it.......! :cool:
 
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John is trying to show that Jesus' "what-ness" is God but His "who-ness" is distinct from the other persons of the trinity. The first occurence of the word "God" in that sense could refer to the other persons of the trinity or just the Father. The word theos (God) can mean many things depending on the context. Thus it is important to know the intent of the author.
 
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Can someone please explain how this doesn't equal 4 beings?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2
"He was with God in the beginning."

What is God? God is comprised of 3-in-1.
The Word was with God.
He was with God.
The 1 was with 3-in-1. Therefore, 4-in-1?

How do you combat this thought? In the beginning, did God only comprise of 2-in-1?
Why doesn't it just say "The Word was with the Father"?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (the Father), and the Word was God (as the Word), He (the Word) was with God (the Father) in the beginning." Only two are mentioned here, God and His Word, what the text does say is that the Word is Himself God. God was with God in the beginning.

The original recipients and readers of the text would have understood the meaning by grammar and context, it wasn't written for people living 2,000 years later; which is why if we want to understand it we have to go through the work of trying to understand it the way people did 2,000 years ago--the people to and for whom it was originally written.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (the Father), and the Word was God (as the Word), He (the Word) was with God (the Father) in the beginning." Only two are mentioned here, God and His Word, what the text does say is that the Word is Himself God. God was with God in the beginning.

The original recipients and readers of the text would have understood the meaning by grammar and context, it wasn't written for people living 2,000 years later; which is why if we want to understand it we have to go through the work of trying to understand it the way people did 2,000 years ago--the people to and for whom it was originally written.

-CryptoLutheran
John 1:1 was written for people 2000 years ago and is not for people today?

Are you sure this is the TRUTH?

Isn't HIS WORD the same yesterday, today and tomorrow?

Isn't HIS WORD ETERNAL?


I'm not understanding what you're implying
 
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John 1:1 was written for people 2000 years ago and is not for people today?

Are you sure this is the TRUTH?

The author of the fourth gospel was writing for a specific purpose and to a specific audience, yes I'm sure. Every book of the Bible was written with a specific purpose and with a specific target audience in mind. Sometimes this is rather easy to know who, for example St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans was written to the Church in Rome, his Epistle to the Galatians was written to the Church in Galatia, the Apocalypse of St. John was written to the seven churches in the Roman province of Asia--Ephesus, Smyrna, etc. So, yes, there was an original audience for the Gospel of John; it's our job as students and readers of Scripture to understand what the author intended and how his original audience would have understood it.

Isn't HIS WORD the same yesterday, today and tomorrow?

Isn't HIS WORD ETERNAL?

If you're talking about Jesus Christ, then yes. As the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews says, "Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, and forever".

If you mean the Bible, then that's complicated as the Bible as a collection of Sacred Scripture received by the Church catholic took centuries to come about. There has never been a time in the history of the Church where there has been perfect universal agreement on the Canon. To that end, no. But then the reason we call the Bible God's word isn't because God authored it, but because we receive as divinely inspired and to lead us and point us to Jesus Christ who is Himself the very Eternal Word of God.

I'm not understanding what you're implying

I'm saying that 21st century English speaking westerners shouldn't assume the Bible exists in their cultural language, and that reading Scripture requires the effort and work to understand what the original authors meant and what the original audience would have understood; we are, fundamentally, a third party looking in on a conversation between two other people--and that requires that we put in the effort to understand the text and the context in which and for which it was written.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The author of the fourth gospel was writing for a specific purpose and to a specific audience, yes I'm sure. Every book of the Bible was written with a specific purpose and with a specific target audience in mind. Sometimes this is rather easy to know who, for example St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans was written to the Church in Rome, his Epistle to the Galatians was written to the Church in Galatia, the Apocalypse of St. John was written to the seven churches in the Roman province of Asia--Ephesus, Smyrna, etc. So, yes, there was an original audience for the Gospel of John; it's our job as students and readers of Scripture to understand what the author intended and how his original audience would have understood it.



If you're talking about Jesus Christ, then yes. As the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews says, "Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, and forever".

If you mean the Bible, then that's complicated as the Bible as a collection of Sacred Scripture received by the Church catholic took centuries to come about. There has never been a time in the history of the Church where there has been perfect universal agreement on the Canon. To that end, no. But then the reason we call the Bible God's word isn't because God authored it, but because we receive as divinely inspired and to lead us and point us to Jesus Christ who is Himself the very Eternal Word of God.



I'm saying that 21st century English speaking westerners shouldn't assume the Bible exists in their cultural language, and that reading Scripture requires the effort and work to understand what the original authors meant and what the original audience would have understood; we are, fundamentally, a third party looking in on a conversation between two other people--and that requires that we put in the effort to understand the text and the context in which and for which it was written.

-CryptoLutheran
The HOLY SPIRIT can do HIS WORK just as CHRIST said in John 16 and just as what was declared in Jeremiah 31

And just as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1-2

These words apply to us even today for the same outpouring which happened to HIS first disciples is the same outpouring which happens today
 
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The HOLY SPIRIT can do HIS WORK just as CHRIST said in John 16 and just as what was declared in Jeremiah 31

And just as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1-2

These words apply to us even today for the same outpouring which happened to HIS first disciples is the same outpouring which happens today

Literally none of that is relevant to what I was saying.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Literally none of that is relevant to what I was saying.

-CryptoLutheran
It's very relevant

For no one can know the things of GOD that are only known by HIS SPIRIT

So what you are saying about the GOSPEL of JOHN and implying that these words were for a different audience than people today, is not true

John 1 through John 21 applies to all men...anyone who has ears to hear

And it is THE SPIRIT (within the believer- those yesterday, today, and tomorrow ) who will lead us to ALL TRUTH
 
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Can someone please explain how this doesn't equal 4 beings?

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:2
"He was with God in the beginning."

What is God? God is comprised of 3-in-1.
The Word was with God.
He was with God.
The 1 was with 3-in-1. Therefore, 4-in-1?

How do you combat this thought? In the beginning, did God only comprise of 2-in-1?
Why doesn't it just say "The Word was with the Father"?

The Word is one of the three person of the Trinity.

The Holy Spirit also is with God and is God.

The Father is with God and is God.
 
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