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hola!

my name is annette, it is nice to meet you all :)

i am curious if anybody is familiar with or has heard of a televangelist named Joel Osteen? i recently saw his television program and i thought he had a lot of wonderful insights on concrete issues... i looked him up on wikipedia and his article mentioned the Word of Faith movement... which i know nothing about.

could somebody perhaps point me in the direction of resources about Joel Osteen and his Church, if he is indeed connected to Word of Faith?

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hola!

my name is annette, it is nice to meet you all :)

i am curious if anybody is familiar with or has heard of a televangelist named Joel Osteen? i recently saw his television program and i thought he had a lot of wonderful insights on concrete issues... i looked him up on wikipedia and his article mentioned the Word of Faith movement... which i know nothing about.

could somebody perhaps point me in the direction of resources about Joel Osteen and his Church, if he is indeed connected to Word of Faith?

muchas gracias

Hi Anette,
I think this will help you to understand Word of Faith beliefs.
David

WE BELIEVE...
Concerning the Godhead, WE BELIEVE
We believe in the one, true God. Our God is manifested in three separate, distinct, eternal Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (Spirit); these three are one (Deut. 6:4; Phil. 2:6; 1 John 5:7). God the Father is greater than all; the Sender of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14). The Son is the Word made flesh, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning (John 1:1; John 1:18; John 1:14). The Holy Ghost (Spirit) proceeds from the Father, is sent forth by the Son, and testifies of Him (Jesus) (John 14:16; John 15:26).
Concerning the Scriptures, WE BELIEVE
All scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly furnished, to every good work. The Holy Spirit moved on the prophets and apostles of old to pen the holy scriptures. We fully affirm that all scripture, comprised of the 66 Books of the Bible (no apocrypha) from Genesis to Revelation, is our final authority over all else for determining faith and practice, and do not accept man's opinion, denominational doctrines, or any other document as equal to or above in authority to the scriptures (2 Tim 3:16-17; 1 Thess 2:13; 2 Peter 1:21; Ps 138:2).

Concerning Salvation, WE BELIEVE
We believe that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (Rom 3:23). We believe that by grace we are saved through faith, salvation can not be obtained through works, and that Jesus is the only way to receive the gift of salvation (Eph 2:8; John 14:6; Acts 4:12).
We believe that unless we are born again, we will not see the Kingdom of God, and while we were yet sinners, God demonstrated His Love for us by sending us His Son, Jesus to die for our sins (John 3:3; Rom 5:8).
We believe that when we repent, confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, that we are now justified by his blood, and shall be saved from wrath through Him (Luke 13:5; Rom 10:9-13; Rom 5:9).
We believe that Jesus' sacrifice for us is full and sufficient for our redemption and full restoration into right relationship with the Father, and when we have received the free gift of salvation, we become a new creature in Christ, old things are passed away and all things become new (Heb 7:27; Rom 3:21-22;2 Cor 5:17).
The Bible teaches that without holiness no man can see the Lord. We believe in the Doctrine of Sanctification as a definite, yet progressive work of grace, commencing at the time of regeneration and continuing until the consummation of salvation at Christ's return. As Christians, we believe if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (Heb 12:14; 1 Thess 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; 2 Cor 3:18; Phil 3:12-14; 1 Cor 1:30, 1 John 1:9).​
The angels said to Jesus' disciples, "...This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven." His coming is imminent. When He comes, "...The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..." Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords, and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years.(Acts 1:11; 1 Thess 4:16-17; Rev 5:10, 20:6).​
We believe that those that physically die without receiving Jesus Christ and His sacrifice have no further opportunity to hear the Gospel and repent. They are eternally lost in the lake of fire, which is literal, along with the devil, his demons, Hell and Death. (Matt 25:41, 46; Heb 9:27, Rev. 20:10-14, 21:6-8).

Concerning the Holy Spirit, WE BELIEVE
The Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire is a gift from God as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ to all believers in this dispensation and is received separately from the new birth. This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance (Matt 3:11; John 14:16-17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38-39; Acts 19:1-7; Acts 2:1-4).

We believe there are diversities of operations of the Spirit working in every member of the Body of Christ today for the common good. These operations are the work of one and the same Spirit dividing to every man severally as He will. (1 Cor 12:8-11).

Concerning divine healing, WE BELIEVE
Healing is for the total person; body, soul, and spirit, and is wrought by the power of God. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Body of Christ today who will receive by faith. (James 5:14-15; Mark 16:18; Isa 53:4-5; Matt 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Cor 12:9; 1 Cor 11:24-30; Acts 19:11-12).

Concerning water baptism, WE BELIEVE
We are directly commanded by our Lord to be baptized in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Baptism in water is by immersion. It is for believers only and does not save a person. Thus we do not believe that intercession on our behalf achieves either salvation or baptism, nor do we recognize infant baptism or baptism for the dead. This ordinance is a symbol of the Christian's identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 28:19; Rom 6:4; Rom 10:9-10; Luke 13:3; Col 2:12; Acts 8:36-39).

SPECIFIC WORD OF FAITH BELIEFS

1. We believe whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass, that he shall have whatsoever he says. We believe we therefore need the word of God to transform us by the renewing of our mind and speak those things in faith, that the Word of God says, in submission to God. (Mark 11:22-28; Matthew 8:8; Romans 10:8-10, 17; 12:2; Proverbs 18:21, James 4:7)

2-A. When Jesus died on the cross, He was separated from God, for He cried "My God My God why have your forsaken me? " because he took our sins upon Himself. (Isaiah 53:6, Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46, Rom. 6:23,2Cor. 5:21)

2-B. He was sinless, but being our substitute, He descended into hell, fully paying for our sins. (Is. 53:10-11, Ps. 16:10, Matt. 12:38-40, 27:46, Acts 2:27, 31, Eph. 4:8-10, 1 Jn. 4:10 )

3-A Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. References: Rev. 1:18, Matt. 27:46, Jn. 3:2-8, 1 Pet. 1:23, Is. 53:9, Acts 2:24, Rom. 6:9, Ps. 22

3-B. Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. Matt. 26:28, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:5, Jn. 1:29, Rev. 7:14

4.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

5.Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27, Psalm 103:3, Psalm 122:7, Proverbs 10:22, Proverbs 28:20, John 10:10, Galatians 3:13, 3 John 1:2)

6. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9):wave:




 
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I love Joel Osteen. Not so much from a "preacher" stand point, but just for his motivational speaking, and what he speaks about. His new book comes out mid Oct and will be here in NYC for a book signing, as well as appearing @ MSG. HIs ticket prices...$10!! Yep, that's it. His own church is the nations LARGEST...Lakeland Church in Texas
 
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I love Joel Osteen. Not so much from a "preacher" stand point, but just for his motivational speaking, and what he speaks about. His new book comes out mid Oct and will be here in NYC for a book signing, as well as appearing @ MSG. HIs ticket prices...$10!! Yep, that's it. His own church is the nations LARGEST...Lakeland Church in Texas

Sorry to disappoint you. He's WOF.
 
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I attended Joel's church for over a year when I lived in that area and have visited several other times in recent years. He's a great guy, and so are the rest of his family. He really wants to encourage people and help them.

He is the first to admit he is not the deepest theologian out there, but he understands his calling and what he is attempting to do. Many people are becoming Christian because of his ministry.
 
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I love Joel Osteen. Not so much from a "preacher" stand point, but just for his motivational speaking, and what he speaks about. His new book comes out mid Oct and will be here in NYC for a book signing, as well as appearing @ MSG. HIs ticket prices...$10!! Yep, that's it. His own church is the nations LARGEST...Lakeland Church in Texas


wow how rude is that - sorta like going into your neighbors house and kncking his wife.

i really liked john osteen but joel is just too much of a feel good - wishey-washy - don't offend anyone preacher for me.
 
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wow how rude is that - sorta like going into your neighbors house and kncking his wife.

i really liked john osteen but joel is just too much of a feel good - wishey-washy - don't offend anyone preacher for me.

Joyce Meyer was interviewing Joel and his wife Victoria. Joel said his calling is to be an encourager. That is why all of his messages are so uplifting but sound basically the same.
 
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Joel is awesome. And he is the perfect guy for the job. God sure knew what He was doing when He put Joel there.

For those who say that he is too 'feel good' or 'wishy washy', I can only say LET GOD BE GOD PEEPS!!

Lakewood is likely the largest church in the nation. The pastor does not need to be controversial. There is a HUGE staff there and bible studies all week long, taught by more theologically deep thinkers, if anyone in the church needs deeper insights. It is not neccesary to be teaching meat (which ALWAYS is controversial, no matter what denomination one belongs to) on an internationally televised missionary outreach program intended for the entire planet.

Let God do what God does best!

Peace...
 
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Joel is awesome. And he is the perfect guy for the job. God sure knew what He was doing when He put Joel there.

For those who say that he is too 'feel good' or 'wishy washy', I can only say LET GOD BE GOD PEEPS!!

Lakewood is likely the largest church in the nation. The pastor does not need to be controversial. There is a HUGE staff there and bible studies all week long, taught by more theologically deep thinkers, if anyone in the church needs deeper insights. It is not neccesary to be teaching meat (which ALWAYS is controversial, no matter what denomination one belongs to) on an internationally televised missionary outreach program intended for the entire planet.

Let God do what God does best!

Peace...
Thats about the best defense I've heard for Pastor Osteen and a good one at that, however I was disappointed that he didnt tell the world that Jesus was the only way on what was it, Larry King? When asked if Christ was the only way he responded something like, " I am not one to say who will and wont go to heaven". I believe his desire to appeal to a world audience as you mentioned robbed the gospel of its power in that instance. Very few ministers are given an opportunity on secular media like he had. I do know that he later made a statement on his website clarifying that Christ was the only way which I am glad he did. He does bring a good word of encouragement in the body of Christ and like you said I am sure his Pastoral staff teach deeper things, harder issues in classes and non broadcast services. I agree, the world doesnt need to hear messages that are meant for the church.
 
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wow how rude is that - sorta like going into your neighbors house and kncking his wife.

i really liked john osteen but joel is just too much of a feel good - wishey-washy - don't offend anyone preacher for me.

Doing what to his wife? I hope thats "kicking" his wife.
 
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Joyce Meyer was interviewing Joel and his wife Victoria. Joel said his calling is to be an encourager. That is why all of his messages are so uplifting but sound basically the same.

In Kansas and other parts of the free world, we call what Joel does exhorting, or the Ministry of Exhortation.

...and don't argue with me about it either! :p

Definitions of exhort on the Web: Exort
  • [SIZE=-1]
  • cheer: urge on or encourage especially by shouts; "The crowd cheered the demonstrating strikers"
  • urge: force or impel in an indicated direction; "I urged him to finish his studies" [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Exort in the Greek:

Parakaleo (par-ak-al-eh'-o);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 3870
  1. to call to one's side, call for, summon
  2. to address, speak to, (call to, call upon), which may be done in the way of exhortation, entreaty, comfort, instruction, etc.
    1. to admonish, exhort
    2. to beg, entreat, beseech
      1. to strive to appease by entreaty
    3. to console, to encourage and strengthen by consolation, to comfort
      1. to receive consolation, be comforted
    4. to encourage, strengthen
    5. exhorting and comforting and encouraging
    6. to instruct, teach

Acts 20:2 And when he had gone over those parts, and had given them much exhortation, he came into Greece,

Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

:wave:
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In Kansas and other parts of the free world, we call what Joel does exhorting, or the Ministry of Exhortation.

...and don't argue with me about it either! :p

Definitions of exhort on the Web: Exort
  • [SIZE=-1]
  • cheer: urge on or encourage especially by shouts; "The crowd cheered the demonstrating strikers"
  • urge: force or impel in an indicated direction; "I urged him to finish his studies" [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Exort in the Greek:

Parakaleo (par-ak-al-eh'-o);
Word Origin: Greek, Verb, Strong #: 3870
  1. to call to one's side, call for, summon
  2. to address, speak to, (call to, call upon), which may be done in the way of exhortation, entreaty, comfort, instruction, etc.
    1. to admonish, exhort
    2. to beg, entreat, beseech
      1. to strive to appease by entreaty
    3. to console, to encourage and strengthen by consolation, to comfort
      1. to receive consolation, be comforted
    4. to encourage, strengthen
    5. exhorting and comforting and encouraging
    6. to instruct, teach
Acts 20:2 And when he had gone over those parts, and had given them much exhortation, he came into Greece,

Hebrews 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

:wave:
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As I've heard it said, "Everyone needs a cheerleader in their life".^_^
 
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Thats about the best defense I've heard for Pastor Osteen and a good one at that, however I was disappointed that he didnt tell the world that Jesus was the only way on what was it, Larry King? When asked if Christ was the only way he responded something like, " I am not one to say who will and wont go to heaven". I believe his desire to appeal to a world audience as you mentioned robbed the gospel of its power in that instance. Very few ministers are given an opportunity on secular media like he had. I do know that he later made a statement on his website clarifying that Christ was the only way which I am glad he did. He does bring a good word of encouragement in the body of Christ and like you said I am sure his Pastoral staff teach deeper things, harder issues in classes and non broadcast services. I agree, the world doesnt need to hear messages that are meant for the church.

Joel sent a letter to all of us apologizing for his performance on Larry King. He asked everyone to forgive him. He said he knew he didn't do as well as he should and he affirmed that he believes that Jesus is the only way. I am sure Joel would do better if he got a rematch with Larry.

IMHO, I imagine Joel was just trying to find a way to exhort people rather than allow Larry trap into making a statement which Larry was sure use to make Joel look as if he were condemning most of the people on Earth. I am also certain that Joel has realized that he just should have told Larry what the Bible has to say on the subject and if Larry didn't like the answer, then Joel could have said, "I guess you will just have to take it up with God because it is His Word."

Considering the size of his audience, I would say that most have forgiven him and put the issue out of their mind. I'm sure God has. I am also sure that God doesn't want Joel to have to continue to suffer the reproach of men for his slip up.

On a positive note, I have noticed that Joel is constantly improving every week. Also, his wife Victoria is a real WOF Warrior.

I have not seen him in person, but a friend of, who is also a Pastor, has. He said Joel didn't scurry out of the Auditorium when he was done speaking. He stuck around to visit with as many people as possible. Joel loves his sheep and doesn't mind getting their smell on them. :thumbsup:

 
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