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Joel osteen... The false prophet?

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Maybe that actually applies to you? Check yourself. You are the one who has used youtube references to back your claims. I did not use man's reference. I said I know within me that Hes a true man of God. I dont judge people by what others say. Im not a sheep.

I bet there are many youtube videos saying Jesus isnt messiah, someone would probably believe that too if they are gullible enough to believe what man like themselves say

Number one I'm not going to allow myself to go any further in conversation with you. Number two where did I say you were pimping God? What I was saying is using the word of God to become wealthy is pimping the word of God.

The tongue of the wise adorns knowledge,
but the mouth of the fool gushes folly. (Proverbs 15:2 NIV)

People are comfortable with the pay your way ministry. I know you don't want to see him saying things that are so against the scriptures you wonder his faith. They aren't lies they aren't things you can take out of context he's not preaching the word of God. Point blank period it's a cult like Jim jones
 
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I don't know now. He's just not my style I guess.
There are a few speakers I feel that way about. I can't explain and try not to analyze it too much, because they do make an impact on other listeners.

I wish more teachers taught on word power. No need to even touch on prosperity, just talk about how important verbal confession is I relation to standing against trials, depression, anger, you name it. No one seems to want to deal the the problem of the tongue
I agree. Whenever I drift from that, things in my life turn out more ineffective and I realize that it clearly is a principle of how God works. He created through the voice. He speaks, and it comes to pass. But as you say, it's not about what we'll get out of it -- it's about showing how God wants to be involved in people's lives.

The huge estates of this generation's preachers have a lot to do with the age of mass media and global distribution. In their minds they might not be doing a lot to promote their personal authoring, songs, and sermons... but one word going out to millions of people sparks a flood of requests.
 
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Christ cautioned his disciples about trying to prevent those who appear to proclaim Christ but to let God sort them out... God's Word does not return void. (There's a story about how the apostles came upon a man healing in Christ's name and they told him to stop because he wasn't "one of them".)

Mr Osteen is an excellent motivational speaker. He has no "official" doctrinal education and was handed the church when his father, the pastor, passed. I think Christians who need motivation to act like Christians can benefit from his jokes and stories. But I would not --and do not--- listen to anything he says. In seminary we were taught that people like him have a following because he "tickles their ears with what people want to hear."

(I am glad that he finally was convinced to add a tag, albeit almost negligible, at the end of the televised shows to accept Christ. He went for years without a peep about accepting Christ's work on the cross for redemption.)

If you really want to hear studies that will deepen your faith and understanding, try R C Sproul. You can find him on the internet and listen to his presentations for free. (He has even debated the evolutionist Dawkins, he's that good!)

I agree that Charles Stanley is well founded in the faith.
Creflo Dollar was also a psychologist before/as he is a preacher. Much of his teaching is sound, depending upon your particular bent of beliefs especially when application is made to the human being's natural tendencies.

Prophecy preachers I would recommend (and again, they have a few differences amongst themselves) Jack Van Impe, the late Jeffrey Grant, Hal Lindsey, and Perry Stone.

Focus on the Family has generally well grounded Christian Scriptures and advice.
Moody Bible has radio stations that generally carry sound doctrinal programs.

You can find all these on the television, internet, radio.


I would caution you to investigate anyone you begin to follow. There is an upcoming system which has been in the world for some time but now strengthening in the USA called Chrislam. This movement is truly watering down the gospel, making it tolerable for all peoples, muslim and other, to come together. It is responsible for so many mega churches removing the Crosses, the choirs, changing the names and icons of their fellowships... and most recently within this last year or so also causing the 3 big Bible publishers to create/edit 7 Bibles that are greatly watered down with removals of basic gospel elements so that the faith is more tolerable to the world.

Creflo $ is a Prosperity gospel preacher and Jack V.I is a false prophet as he make predictions in the 1990's which were to come true before the turn of the century , but didnt. Google search will bring this to light. Hal Lindsey is good for eschatology and reports accurately . Theres hardly any preachers on TBN that are sound , except for perhaps Kerry Shook. Never before, have we got so many false teachers, false prophets, and psychology/positive thinking Teachers ... instead of good Bible expositorial Preachers.
 
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The tongue of the wise adorns knowledge,
but the mouth of the fool gushes folly. (Proverbs 15:2 NIV)

pots and kettles. Check yourself again. You seem to be ministering to 'yourself' a lot

People are comfortable with the pay your way ministry. I know you don't want to see him saying things that are so against the scriptures you wonder his faith. They aren't lies they aren't things you can take out of context he's not preaching the word of God. Point blank period it's a cult like Jim jones

He is a true man of GOD. Take it to God in faith and ask Him before judging His servant. He is preaching the word of GOD. I am not a watered-down gospel listener BUT The little I have heard from joel was very powerful. He's not wishy washy.

Lastly and again, I dont need man to tell me who is a man of God or not. I STAND BY IT that Joel Osteen is a TRUE and highly FAVORED and BLESSED man of God. Dont care what anyone thinks.

I dont go to his church neither do I watch him everyday but I KNOW WHAT I KNOW.
 
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He is a true man of GOD. Take it to God in faith and ask Him before judging His servant. He is preaching the word of GOD. I am not a watered-down gospel listener BUT The little I have heard from joel was very powerful. He's not wishy washy.

Lastly and again, I dont need man to tell me who is a man of God or not. I STAND BY IT that Joel Osteen is a TRUE and highly FAVORED and BLESSED man of God. Dont care what anyone thinks.

I dont go to his church neither do I watch him everyday but I KNOW WHAT I KNOW.

Are you willing to go on www.youtube.com and listen to him being interviewed to hear his answers to questions about how to be saved and IF Jesus is the only way , etc...? And, are you willing to do a google under 'Critiquing Joel Osteen' so you can get the WHOLE story behind him ????
 
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He is a true man of GOD. Take it to God in faith and ask Him before judging His servant. He is preaching the word of GOD. I am not a watered-down gospel listener BUT The little I have heard from joel was very powerful. He's not wishy washy.


He's not preaching the word of God he is leading people away from God the true God of Abraham Abba father

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

There is only one way to God there is only one way to Christ.


11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


Lastly and again, I dont need man to tell me who is a man of God or not. I STAND BY IT that Joel Osteen is a TRUE and highly FAVORED and BLESSED man of God. Dont care what anyone thinks.

You stand by man and I'm standing by the word of God. The funny thing is you do need man to tell you who is of God because you believe in Joel Osteen and you stand by him. In his wrong you stand by him in his right you stand by him......Joel Osteen is not Jesus Christ your so certain of him I'm going to lump you up with him
I dont go to his church neither do I watch him everyday but I KNOW WHAT I KNOW.

There is only one way to heaven and you cant pay only Jesus Christ. You can't go through anyone else but Him to get to the father. That is the word of God anything else any other variations is straight from hell. He was on Oprah and teaching falsely, he has sermons teaching falsely and you clearly need man to tell you who is of God and who isn't because you are standing so firmly by flawed man not God.


I don't allow it in my home you can have the devil yours but I don't play with God's word.
 
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Are you willing to go on www.youtube.com and listen to him being interviewed to hear his answers to questions about how to be saved and IF Jesus is the only way , etc...? And, are you willing to do a google under 'Critiquing Joel Osteen' so you can get the WHOLE story behind him ????

You know what God has been dealing with me I think you are kinda like me. You are so shocked when people turn down blatant knowledge you wish you could force feed um it but remember.


Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.
 
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Creflo $ is a Prosperity gospel preacher and Jack V.I is a false prophet as he make predictions in the 1990's which were to come true before the turn of the century , but didnt. Google search will bring this to light. Hal Lindsey is good for eschatology and reports accurately . Theres hardly any preachers on TBN that are sound , except for perhaps Kerry Shook. Never before, have we got so many false teachers, false prophets, and psychology/positive thinking Teachers ... instead of good Bible expositorial Preachers.

I agree 100% there have been some good word to come from TBN don't let me allow you to think that its all bad....but when you feel something from TBN hit your soul research research research to see if it's right because its more wrong then right..........I wouldn't even watch it.
 
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I have watched Joel many times. I have never seen him preach anything false. He preaches to those that don't want the pulpit pounding, screaming preachers - he plants the seed and God waters it. People cannot handle successful preachers, would anyone listen to him if he was in a small church, with no fruit of God's Word. He reaches many people who just may have a hunger for fellowship and Gospel that is not full of legalism and rule after rule of 'don'ts' - so busy telling us what you can't do that they don't have time to tell us what God 'CAN DO.'

Yes - Avniel - the guidance of the Holy Spirit is what should lead us - not all of man made rules of how it should be.
 
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You know what God has been dealing with me I think you are kinda like me. You are so shocked when people turn down blatant knowledge you wish you could force feed um it but remember.


Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.

Yes, i find many people just like a TV Preacher without ever looking into him very deeply at all. I was once caught up with Benny Hinn till i read a book called 'The Confusing World of Benny Hinn' which had documented quotations by him with source info/date . We need to be real diligent when it comes to TV Preachers and check em out real good .
 
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I have watched Joel many times. I have never seen him preach anything false. He preaches to those that don't want the pulpit pounding, screaming preachers - he plants the seed and God waters it. People cannot handle successful preachers, would anyone listen to him if he was in a small church, with no fruit of God's Word. He reaches many people who just may have a hunger for fellowship and Gospel that is not full of legalism and rule after rule of 'don'ts' - so busy telling us what you can't do that they don't have time to tell us what God 'CAN DO.'

Yes - Avniel - the guidance of the Holy Spirit is what should lead us - not all of man made rules of how it should be.

Read Post #25 for my reply and ask yourself if youre ready to do that .

Yes, the H.S. should lead us...BUT we must be careful we are really hearing from the H.S. --- one of the ways is to know scripture very well and compare a persons teaching to it....and the other way additionally is to do a google and hear interviews conducted with a Teacher to see if there is any false teaching . If you do the later with Joel O. , youll be shocked . One of his downfalls is the common Word of Faith theology of 'speaking things and circumstances into existence' or having faith 'in words' or having faith 'in faith' . Diligently research Joel O. and all others. Make Google and www.youtube.com your friend .
 
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There are a few speakers I feel that way about. I can't explain and try not to analyze it too much, because they do make an impact on other listeners.

I agree. Whenever I drift from that, things in my life turn out more ineffective and I realize that it clearly is a principle of how God works. He created through the voice. He speaks, and it comes to pass. But as you say, it's not about what we'll get out of it -- it's about showing how God wants to be involved in people's lives.

The huge estates of this generation's preachers have a lot to do with the age of mass media and global distribution. In their minds they might not be doing a lot to promote their personal authoring, songs, and sermons... but one word going out to millions of people sparks a flood of requests.

I was one if those people who disliked Meyer because she has a mansion. Then God showed me my own jealousy, and hypocrisy. Oops. I started inspecting Meyer's closely. I found a humble woman who has come a long way and is now leading people - or I should say God us using her - to lead people out of bondages. I don't agree with everything she says, but I know this much now, God does consider constant complaining and murmuring a sin. When I saw the trajectory of my own life headed toward destruction and saw in scripture how my thinking was affecting my life, I woke up. I think Joel has imbalances in his teaching, just like a lot of preachers. But now I know and understand the danger of finger pointing and not praying.
 
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Christ taught us, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me." When listening to Joel Osteen, are you encouraged to deny yourself? Are you encouraged you to take up your cross?
 
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I am pretty tolerant of nonessential doctrinal difference. I've very open to many different denominations and I believe in our liberty to disagree on many issues. However, when you deny the fundamentals of the faith, and preach a satanic-pagan mythology cloaked in Christian language, then I have a problem. Osteen is a false teacher, through and through. He preaches the satanic doctrine of "The Secret" and covers it up in biblical language. He is a dangerous false prophet and ought to be avoided. John MacArthur sums it up well.

John MacArthur Rebukes Joel Osteen - YouTube
 
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Alovedivine expect the following responses:
''But Osteen makes me feel so good... he is soooo positive and uplifting..... therefore he HAS to be from God.... you meanie... you judgemental pharisee"! :p jeremiah 8:11

What the heck?
 
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There is only one way to heaven and you cant pay only Jesus Christ. You can't go through anyone else but Him to get to the father. That is the word of God anything else any other variations is straight from hell.

You dont make much sense from the above, really.


He was on Oprah and teaching falsely, he has sermons teaching falsely and you clearly need man to tell you who is of God and who isn't because you are standing so firmly by flawed man not God.

I suppose you are perfect? Lol. I definitely DO NOT need any man to tell me who is of God. I stand by my belief.

JOEL OSTEEN IS A TRUE AND HIGHLY BLESSED MAN OF GOD.

Nothing you say or anyone says could ever change that. Maybe try to take the swipe out of your own eyes first before judging an anointed man of God. God doesn't take kindly to people who taint His anointed servants' names. You have been running your fingers way too much here.



I don't allow it in my home you can have the devil yours but I don't play with God's word.

You even call the man devil. Unbelievable. You dont play with God's words yet you are destroying His servant's name and reputation on here. You should be careful what you say.

Everything you have is pointed to youtube (which i refuse to watch),what garbage? On the same youtube, we see many lies being told about Jesus, its definitely clear who is following what man says. Its you.

I dont. I know what I know, and nothing can change that. You can carry on but Im definitely done with you. Cant be bothered anymore.
 
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I have watched Joel many times. I have never seen him preach anything false. He preaches to those that don't want the pulpit pounding, screaming preachers - he plants the seed and God waters it. People cannot handle successful preachers, would anyone listen to him if he was in a small church, with no fruit of God's Word. He reaches many people who just may have a hunger for fellowship and Gospel that is not full of legalism and rule after rule of 'don'ts' - so busy telling us what you can't do that they don't have time to tell us what God 'CAN DO.'

WELL SAID:thumbsup:

the guidance of the Holy Spirit is what should lead us - not all of man made rules of how it should be.

Well said:thumbsup:
 
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