• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Jimmy Savile Was Part Of Satanic Ring

Status
Not open for further replies.

florida2

Well-Known Member
Sep 18, 2011
2,092
434
✟33,191.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Could you point out exactly where I said EVERY politician etc.

You are making wild allegations that are completely unfounded!

I asked you

With your 'birds of a feather' picture, are you accusing politicians and royalty of being satanic and/or child abusers?

You replied

That's exactly what I'm saying!

Which seems to imply that is DOES mean all politicians and royalty, as per my question.

I also said

Those allegations are unfounded so I suggest you retract them.

To which you replied

LOL!... oh, really!
Another 'expert' who thinks Wikipedia tells them the truth

That all suggests that you meant all politicians and royalty and when I pointed out the unfounded nature of these allegations you laughed.

Now, stop throwing mud around indiscriminately.
 
Upvote 0

spiritualwarrior77

Senior Member
Apr 28, 2012
862
10
✟16,297.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
That all suggests that you meant all politicians and royalty and when I pointed out the unfounded nature of these allegations you laughed.

Now, stop throwing mud around indiscriminately.

When you can point out where I used the word ALL, I will take you seriously.
I never for a second meant ALL nor did I say so (nor even imply it).
 
Upvote 0

spiritualwarrior77

Senior Member
Apr 28, 2012
862
10
✟16,297.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
Upvote 0

spiritualwarrior77

Senior Member
Apr 28, 2012
862
10
✟16,297.00
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
Know anything about the Dutroix Affair?
First I've head of it, and I already know enough to spell it Dutroux. Research shows that Belgian police were incompetent. No sign of satan or conspiracy.
How Can One Not Be Interested in Belgian History?: War, Language and ... - Benno Barnard, Martine Van Berlo, Geert Van Istendael - Google Books

Heard of Holly Grieg?
First I've heard of it. Research turns up no credible sources.

What about the Franklin Cover-up?
First I've heard of it, but research turned up this article.
http://maigret.psy.ohio-state.edu/~...ings/papers/ConspiracyTheoriesandParanoia.pdf

Dunblane?
First I've heard of it. Research turns up no credible sources.

How about the McMartin Pre-School cover-up?
Yes, but it wasn't a cover up. The sex abuse allegations were false and innocents had their reputations destroyed.

Know anything about the "Finders"?
It was an enjoyable show, and the last one I saw with Michael Clark Duncan...well, it was called the Finder, not the Finders.

Ever listened to a child tell you about satanic ritual abuse?
Nope. Never even heard of one talking about something like that without having been coached.

You really do come across as the something uber creepy!!!
You seem to know what I am talking about but deny everything.
I refuse to engage with the likes of you as I've made that mistake before.

Some of us know through life experience, encounters with others and lots and lots and lots of research, what is going on.

The hellbound like yourself are working hard covering Satan's tracks.
I pity you on Judgement Day.
The children will be haunting you for ever!!!
 
Upvote 0
I

IanCG

Guest
You really do come across as the something uber creepy!!!
You seem to know what I am talking about but deny everything.
I refuse to engage with the likes of you as I've made that mistake before.

Some of us know through life experience, encounters with others and lots and lots and lots of research, what is going on.

The hellbound like yourself are working hard covering Satan's tracks.
I pity you on Judgement Day.
The children will be haunting you for ever!!!
Unfortunately, I don't think you'll ever realize your own errors. :(
 
Upvote 0

florida2

Well-Known Member
Sep 18, 2011
2,092
434
✟33,191.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
When you can point out where I used the word ALL, I will take you seriously.
I never for a second meant ALL nor did I say so (nor even imply it).

Then I'm very glad that's not what you meant. I asked about politicians and royalty being child abusers, in your eyes, and you said yes and laughed about it. That's just the way I interpreted it. Glad it's cleared up.

Somebody who laughs about accusing people of child abuse is, I would suggest, uber creepy.
 
Upvote 0

GarfieldJL

Regular Member
Dec 10, 2012
7,872
673
✟33,792.00
Faith
Methodist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Republican
You really need to read people's posts more clearly and the context of what they say.


I think everyone needs to calm down and look at this rationally...

Have there been famous people and/or politicians whom were pedophiles: Yes

Have there also been people that have been falsely accused of pedophilia: Yes

Is there enough evidence presented that the children were in fact sexually abused: I would say yes.

Is there enough evidence to say that all these politicians, the British Royalty, etc. were involved in any of this: No, in fact the case being presented has so many holes that you could argue that people are being slandered.

There are too many other plausible explanations as to why the kids associate voices of certain political figures... It's called turning on a 24/7 news program and the voices on there being in the background.

There are also people that sound similar to other people. Since these kids were, according to what you presented, drugged, it stands to reason that they may not remember whom all was abusing them accurately. They remember voices, but those voices could have effectively been background noise from a television or radio.
 
Upvote 0

Halossellar

Newbie
Jun 13, 2012
333
14
✟23,044.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Upvote 0

morningstar2651

Senior Veteran
Dec 6, 2004
14,557
2,591
40
Arizona
✟74,149.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
I think everyone needs to calm down and look at this rationally...

Have there been famous people and/or politicians whom were pedophiles: Yes

Have there also been people that have been falsely accused of pedophilia: Yes

Is there enough evidence presented that the children were in fact sexually abused: I would say yes.

Is there enough evidence to say that all these politicians, the British Royalty, etc. were involved in any of this: No, in fact the case being presented has so many holes that you could argue that people are being slandered.

There are too many other plausible explanations as to why the kids associate voices of certain political figures... It's called turning on a 24/7 news program and the voices on there being in the background.

There are also people that sound similar to other people. Since these kids were, according to what you presented, drugged, it stands to reason that they may not remember whom all was abusing them accurately. They remember voices, but those voices could have effectively been background noise from a television or radio.

The problem is that these children were not abused or drugged.

Go back and read about the McMartin Presschool trial that spiritualwarrior77 cites as an example of a satanic pedophile ring. You'll find that the actual victims are the accused.

IPT Journal - "Learning From the McMartin Hoax" An analysis of the videotapes in the McMartin preschool sex abuse case shows a strong pattern of pressure, coercion and manipulation aimed at getting the children to make statements about abuse. The tapes from this case should be widely studied in that they are the key to understanding how the children could come to sincerely believe things that never happened.

The Longest Trial - A Post-Mortem; Collapse of Child-Abuse Case: So Much Agony for So Little - New York Times The case of the Virginia McMartin Preschool began with lurid news reports of children being raped and sodomized, of dead rabbits, mutilated corpses and a horse killing, and of blood drinking, satanic rituals and the sacrifice of a live baby in a church. Those involved say that much of the evidence was unconvincing from the outset; that there were also mistakes by the prosecution, too many charges, questionable techniques to elicit accusations from the children, inordinate delays by Mr. Buckey's lawyer, Danny Davis, political pressures and public hysteria fanned by gullible initial news reports. The verdict - not guilty on 52 counts, deadlocks on 13 others - enraged many, particularly the children's parents. Even some jurors said that they were not fully convinced of Mr. Buckey's innocence, but that the prosecution had failed to mount sufficient evidence. Others saw a grave miscarriage of justice for Mr. Buckey, who spent five years in jail before raising bail, and his mother, who spent nearly two years in jail and lost the family-owned school in suburban Manhattan Beach.

The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial: A Commentary The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial, the longest and most expensive criminal trial in American history, should serve as a cautionary tale. When it was all over, the government had spent seven years and $15 million dollars investigating and prosecuting a case that led to no convictions. More seriously, the McMartin case left in its wake hundreds of emotionally damaged children, as well as ruined careers for members of the McMartin staff. No one paid a bigger price than Ray Buckey, one of the principal defendants in the case, who spent five years in jail awaiting trial for a crime (most people recognize today) he never committed. McMartin juror Brenda Williams said that the trial experience taught her to be more cautious: "I now realize how easily something can be said and misinterpreted and blown out of proportion." Another juror, Mark Bassett, singled out "experts" for blame: "I thought some of the expert testimony about the children told you more about the expert than the child. I mean, if the expert says children are always 100% believable and then you have a child who is not believable, either the expert is extremely biased or they've never seen anything like that child before."

The McMartin Daycare Case — New Chapter - The True Victims — Crime Library on truTV.com In the wave of hysteria during the 1980s, hundreds of people were arrested on the suspicion of child abuse, especially people working in daycare centers. In part, this was thanks to the therapists and investigators involved in the McMartin Preschool fiasco who announced on national talk shows and to Congress that a network of well-financed satanic ritual abusers was operating secretly across the country. Despite the fact that children were being coached, even coerced, to describe outrageous stories for which there was no corroborating physical evidence, and some of their tales bordered on the preposterous, suspected adults were convicted based on this testimony alone.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

morningstar2651

Senior Veteran
Dec 6, 2004
14,557
2,591
40
Arizona
✟74,149.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
It's amazing what therapists with an agenda can get from patients under hypnosis.
Valerie Sinason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
False memory syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof.

"Recovered" memories are created during therapy - not recovered during therapy. The false premise behind repressed memories of abuse is that the worse the abuse - the more likely the memory was "forgotten". Science has shown the exact opposite. The stronger the stimulus, the more likely the victim is to recall it.

Here are some more examples of pseudomemories and false memories.

Bridey Murphy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - a woman creates pseudomemories of a past life while under hypnosis (note - it is also possible to create pseudomemories of future lives as well)

Questions and Answers about Memories of Childhood Abuse - it is not possible to distinguish a repressed memory from a false memory without corroborating evidence.
 
Upvote 0

true2theword

Newbie
Nov 8, 2012
752
25
✟23,599.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
This comes as absolutely no surprise to those of us who have done the research into satanism and pedophile rings. There have been so many cases of the connection between satanism, pedophilia and the 'elites' I've lost count.

Jimmy Savile was part of satanic ring | UK | Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express

Jimmy+Savile+1.jpg





they would pull the video if I posted it, but google the documentary "conspiracy of silence" these pedophiles are a huge part of our government, and the cover ups just keep happening
 
Upvote 0

morningstar2651

Senior Veteran
Dec 6, 2004
14,557
2,591
40
Arizona
✟74,149.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
Last edited:
Upvote 0

true2theword

Newbie
Nov 8, 2012
752
25
✟23,599.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
The problem is that these children were not abused or drugged.

Go back and read about the McMartin Presschool trial that spiritualwarrior77 cites as an example of a satanic pedophile ring. You'll find that the actual victims are the accused.

IPT Journal - "Learning From the McMartin Hoax" An analysis of the videotapes in the McMartin preschool sex abuse case shows a strong pattern of pressure, coercion and manipulation aimed at getting the children to make statements about abuse. The tapes from this case should be widely studied in that they are the key to understanding how the children could come to sincerely believe things that never happened.

The Longest Trial - A Post-Mortem; Collapse of Child-Abuse Case: So Much Agony for So Little - New York Times The case of the Virginia McMartin Preschool began with lurid news reports of children being raped and sodomized, of dead rabbits, mutilated corpses and a horse killing, and of blood drinking, satanic rituals and the sacrifice of a live baby in a church. Those involved say that much of the evidence was unconvincing from the outset; that there were also mistakes by the prosecution, too many charges, questionable techniques to elicit accusations from the children, inordinate delays by Mr. Buckey's lawyer, Danny Davis, political pressures and public hysteria fanned by gullible initial news reports. The verdict - not guilty on 52 counts, deadlocks on 13 others - enraged many, particularly the children's parents. Even some jurors said that they were not fully convinced of Mr. Buckey's innocence, but that the prosecution had failed to mount sufficient evidence. Others saw a grave miscarriage of justice for Mr. Buckey, who spent five years in jail before raising bail, and his mother, who spent nearly two years in jail and lost the family-owned school in suburban Manhattan Beach.

The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial: A Commentary The McMartin Preschool Abuse Trial, the longest and most expensive criminal trial in American history, should serve as a cautionary tale. When it was all over, the government had spent seven years and $15 million dollars investigating and prosecuting a case that led to no convictions. More seriously, the McMartin case left in its wake hundreds of emotionally damaged children, as well as ruined careers for members of the McMartin staff. No one paid a bigger price than Ray Buckey, one of the principal defendants in the case, who spent five years in jail awaiting trial for a crime (most people recognize today) he never committed. McMartin juror Brenda Williams said that the trial experience taught her to be more cautious: "I now realize how easily something can be said and misinterpreted and blown out of proportion." Another juror, Mark Bassett, singled out "experts" for blame: "I thought some of the expert testimony about the children told you more about the expert than the child. I mean, if the expert says children are always 100% believable and then you have a child who is not believable, either the expert is extremely biased or they've never seen anything like that child before."

The McMartin Daycare Case — New Chapter - The True Victims — Crime Library on truTV.com In the wave of hysteria during the 1980s, hundreds of people were arrested on the suspicion of child abuse, especially people working in daycare centers. In part, this was thanks to the therapists and investigators involved in the McMartin Preschool fiasco who announced on national talk shows and to Congress that a network of well-financed satanic ritual abusers was operating secretly across the country. Despite the fact that children were being coached, even coerced, to describe outrageous stories for which there was no corroborating physical evidence, and some of their tales bordered on the preposterous, suspected adults were convicted based on this testimony alone.





then again an ex-FBI agent hired a geologist to excavate under the school where these tunnels were supposed to exist, and the evidence shows that tunnels did exist.

your either naive, or your part of the cover up
 
Upvote 0

morningstar2651

Senior Veteran
Dec 6, 2004
14,557
2,591
40
Arizona
✟74,149.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
then again an ex-FBI agent hired a geologist to excavate under the school where these tunnels were supposed to exist, and the evidence shows that tunnels did exist.

your either naive, or your part of the cover up

Where is the evidence?
 
Upvote 0

trunks2k

Contributor
Jan 26, 2004
11,369
3,520
42
✟277,741.00
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
then again an ex-FBI agent hired a geologist to excavate under the school where these tunnels were supposed to exist, and the evidence shows that tunnels did exist.

your either naive, or your part of the cover up

From wikipedia

In 1990, parents who believed their children had been abused at the preschool hired archeologist E. Gary Stickel to investigate the site. In May 1990, Stickel claimed he found evidence of tunnels, consistent with the children's accounts, under the McMartin Preschool using ground-penetrating radar.[38]

Others have disagreed with Stickel's conclusions. John Earle wrote in 1995 that the concrete slab floor was undisturbed except for a small patch where the sewer line was tapped into. Once the slab was removed, there was no sign of any materials to line or hold up any tunnels, and the concrete floor would have made it impossible for the defendants to fill in any tunnels once the abuse investigation began. The article concluded that disturbed soil under the slab was from the sewer line and construction fill buried under the slab before it was poured. Further, Earle noted that some fill from beneath the concrete slab was dated to the year 1940
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.