If I've understood you correctly, Terral, and I believe I have, then what you are claiming is that, under the conditions or circumstances which you've described, salvation can be assured apart from explicit, intentional, volitional acceptance of Christ and His sacrifice!!
I'm certain that I've detected an increase in rotational activity emanating from the Apostle Paul's grave.
Stand by; I'll be explaining Rom. 9:1-5 via the immediately following verses 6-8, which you curiously omitted.
Terral has complained that you misrepresented him in this statement. But you did not just misrepresent Terral. You grossly misrepresented Dispensationalists in general.
No classical Dispensationalist believes that it is, or ever will be, possible for anyone to be saved without a personal relationship with God, or that such a relationship is available in any way except through faith in the blood that Jesus shed on the cross. I have heard that John Hagee says otherwise. I do not know if this is correct, for I have only occasionally listened to him and he never even suggested such a thing when I heard him. But whether or not he believes it, the vast bulk of all Dispensationalists insist upon this as foundational truth.
Your misunderstanding comes in our repeated insistence that "all Israel shall be saved." But it is also connected to a wholly incorrect assumption that this scripture (Romans 11:26) is the basis of this doctrine.
The doctrine is based on the exceedingly many prophecies in the Old Testament that explicitly say that Israel will eventually be restored as a nation. The main proponent of your view in this forum (Notrash) has flatly refused to even discuss these prophecies under the pretext that they were set aside by the Jew's rejection of Jesus. But this is a straw horse. If these prophecies will not be fulfilled, then they were not true. And if they were not true, then the Bible is not the word of God and our faith is based on nothing but opinions of ancient men. Notrash claims that they were conditional, and the conditions not having been met they do not apply. But this is simply and flatly false. There were, of course, promises that were conditional, but there were also very many that included no conditions of any kind.
Now we come to the problem of how all Israel can be saved if salvation comes only through faith in Christ. It is actually very simple, if the scriptures are accepted at face value. For these prophecies also include explicit promises that Israel will eventually be brought to repentance. They also explicitly say that when Israel is finally brought back to their homeland, the rebels will be purged out from among them. If Israel will indeed repent, and if the rebels will indeed be purged out from among them, then only those who actually repented will be left. "And so all Israel shall be saved."
Some of the explicit scriptures for this are as follows:
1The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. 5And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
6In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. 8In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. 12And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; 13The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; 14All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
33As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: 34And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. 35And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. 36Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: 38And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
