Jesus Walks on...Ice?

[SaintAugustine]

The lastest wild news is from FSU, is that Jesus walked on a spring ice.....

uh-huh...

Well, first let me say that if I was from FSU I would keep my mouth shut...FSU is hardly a center for Biblical studies.

Let me see if I got this right..in sun baked Palestine..Jesus walked on Ice across the sea of Galilee..mmmmm....

but okay..lets give FSU the benefit of the doubt....there was Ice on the sea of Galilee...


now, how thick do you think that ice is gonna be....like an eighth of an inch...

Jesus's step on the ice..the ice breaks...Jesus go into the sea of Galilee..

This would also mean the boat where the diciples were was ice locked in the middle of the Sea of Galilee...!

Finally from John..(and three of the four gospels have the miracle by the way), we have a description of the actual water conditions.


John 6:18-19



18 A strong wind was blowing and the waters grew rough.

19 When they had rowed three or three and a half miles,they saw Jesus approaching the boat, walking on the water; and they were terrified.


mmm...doesn't sound like a frozen lake to me...

Final score Jesus 1 Florida State 0

 

[Brushstroke]

The lastest wild news is from FSU, is that Jesus walked on a spring ice.....

uh-huh...

Well, first let me say that if I was from FSU I would keep my mouth shut...FSU is hardly a center for Biblical studies.

Let me see if I got this right..in sun baked Palestine..Jesus walked on Ice across the sea of Galilee..mmmmm....

but okay..lets give FSU the benefit of the doubt....there was Ice on the sea of Galilee...


now, how thick do you think that ice is gonna be....like an eighth of an inch...

Jesus's step on the ice..the ice breaks...Jesus go into the sea of Galilee..

This would also mean the boat where the diciples were was ice locked in the middle of the Sea of Galilee...!

Finally from John..(and three of the four gospels have the miracle by the way), we have a description of the actual water conditions.


John 6:18-19



18 A strong wind was blowing and the waters grew rough.

19 When they had rowed three or three and a half miles,they saw Jesus approaching the boat, walking on the water; and they were terrified.


mmm...doesn't sound like a frozen lake to me...

Final score Jesus 1 Florida State 0

Meh, I didn't believe the claim that He walked on ice in the first place.

Oh and it's not 1 to 0. it's Jesus: Any # He wants LOL to Florida State: 0

 

[Annoula]

if Jesus is God then walking on a lake or raising a dead man or healing a blind man or forgiving sins and bla bla is ...well.... not even a piece of cake for Him... it's not even important as something He "accomplished"...

 

[jeffweeder]

agreed, but i bet his feet didnt need the water for him to appear to walk on water.
Its just another pathetic attempt to discredit jesus integrity as gods only begotten, and his testamony to the world.

 

[NeoScribe]

Where do they get the idea that there was ice anywhere in the middle east? Where is their proof. Evidence FSU! I want evidence! (LOL!)

 

[Ave Maria]

agreed, but i bet his feet didnt need the water for him to appear to walk on water.
Its just another pathetic attempt to discredit jesus integrity as gods only begotten, and his testamony to the world.

Exactly! Jesus walked on water whether these people want to believe it or not! Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ!

 

[Mea Culpa]

Why do Christians give this kind of garbage any kind of attention?

The things of God are foolishness to the carnal man. Let it go...

 

[imind]

how can anyone comment without reading what they present? hows bout a link?

 

[Eruliel]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37882
There's something about it.

Grr. I'm trying to find physical facts about the Sea of Galilee...Galilea...Galilae...anyway mainly I want to find the salt content because unless something weird was going on there shouldn't have been any ice on that body of water because of the salt. I mean even 3rd graders know that salt melts ice...and slugs. But apparently according to the article there might've been changes in the salidity and made the sea water fresh water. There are a couple of problems though.
1. The waves were pretty darned rough that day, and probably could've capsized the fishing boat, let alone some little blocks of ice.
2. Why (if it was below freezing) didn't the masts or the sails on the boat freeze as well?
3. Peter didn't say "I climbed out of the boat onto a block of ice. I climbed out of the boat and I was standing on water". Explain.

Then we come to the question: Who isn't to say that Jesus made those changes in the sea so it could freeze? Why he would go through so much trouble is beyond me, but it's possible. I mean you say there's a natural explination for it. If that's the case then God made it possible for that to happen, so either way it was a miracle.
Slainte!
Eruliel
ps. Your title made me think this was going to be an article on how they've decided to put one of the four gospels on ice...like Disney on ice. That would be disturbing...​

 

[Ave Maria]

Why do Christians give this kind of garbage any kind of attention?

The things of God are foolishness to the carnal man. Let it go...

Because this kind of garbage is dangerous and can lead non-believers to be even more adamant in their non-belief.

 

[Mea Culpa]

Because this kind of garbage is dangerous and can lead non-believers to be even more adamant in their non-belief.

Which is why I say,

The things of God are foolishness to man. Unless one is lead by the Spirit to the Truth, these things are foolishness. To bring more attention to something brought up by someone who doesn't know the things of God only brings more attention to it, not less.

 

[NeoScribe]

Another question. If it was ice why were the Disciples so spooked. Its not that amazing to walk on ice. Is FSU saying they were amazed that Jesus didnt fall, 'cuase im on the ice for two seconds and i spend the next hour trying to bet my body off the floor.

 

[Your Neighbor]

The proponent of the ice theory ought to resign.

 

[SaintAugustine]

FSU News
Jesus walked on ice, says study led by FSU scientist.

by Libby Fairhurst
The New Testament story describes Jesus walking on water in the Sea of Galilee, but according to a study led by Florida State University Professor of Oceanography Doron Nof, it's more likely that he walked on an isolated patch of floating ice.
The study points to a rare combination of optimal water and atmospheric conditions for development of a unique, localized freezing phenomenon that Nof and his co-authors call "springs ice."

The study points to a rare combination of optimal water and atmospheric conditions for development of a unique, localized freezing phenomenon that Nof and his co-authors call "springs ice."
In what is now northern Israel, such ice could have formed on the cold freshwater surface of the Sea of Galilee—known as Lake Kinneret by modern-day Israelis—when already chilly temperatures briefly plummeted during one of the two protracted cold periods between 2,500 and 1,500 years ago.
A frozen patch floating on the surface of the small lake would have been difficult to distinguish from the unfrozen water surrounding it. The unfrozen water was comprised of the plumes resulting from salty springs situated along the lake's western shore in Tabgha—an area where many archeological findings related to Jesus have been documented.
"As natural scientists, we simply explain that unique freezing processes probably happened in that region only a handful of times during the last 12,000 years," Nof said. "We leave to others the question of whether or not our research explains the biblical account."
It isn't the first time the FSU researcher has offered scientific explanations of watery miracles. As a recognized expert in the field of oceanography and limnology—the study of freshwater, saline and brackish environments—Nof made waves worldwide in 1992 with his oceanographic perspective on the parting of the Red Sea.
His latest research appears in the April 2006 Journal of Paleolimnology, a scientific publication that addresses the reconstruction of lake history.
Using paleoceanographic records of the Mediterranean Sea's surface temperatures along with analytical ice and statistical models, Nof and his colleagues focused on the dynamics of a small section of Lake Kinneret comprising about 10,000 square feet near the salty springs that empty into it. Their analysis supports the likelihood that a brief blast of frigid air descended over the lake and dropped to 25 F (-4 C) for at least two days, coinciding with the chill that had already settled in for a century or more and quite possibly encompassed the decades in which Jesus lived.
If these atmospheric conditions existed simultaneously over a lake such as Kinneret, a floating ice patch could develop above the plumes generated by the salty springs.
Such a perfect combination of conditions on the low-latitude Kinneret might well seem miraculous. In the last 120 centuries, Nof calculates the odds as roughly once in 1,000 years. However, during the life of Jesus the prevailing climate may have favored the more frequent formation of springs ice—about once in 30 to 160 years.
Floating springs ice partially or entirely surrounded by unfrozen water could be virtually impossible for distant observers to discern, particularly if subsequent rains had smoothed its surface; and 2,000 years ago, even those with a better view might not have recognized a natural phenomenon so rare in their corner of the world.
"In today's climate, the chance of springs ice forming in northern Israel is effectively zero, or about once in more than 10,000 years," Nof added.
Among numerous honors throughout his career, Nof won the prestigious Nansen Medal from the European Geosciences Union in 2005. He is FSU's Distinguished Fridtjof Nansen Professor of Physical Oceanography and a member of its Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Institute.
In addition to Nof, the co-authors of "Is There A Paleolimnological Explanation for 'Walking on Water' in the Sea of Galilee?" are Professor Ian McKeague (Columbia University biostatistics department and formerly of FSU's department of statistics) and Professor Nathan Paldor (Hebrew University of Jerusalem, department of atmospheric science).

 

[Eruliel]

If the platform of ice was flat it would've sunk under Jesus' weight because there wasn't even distribution. The water would've come over the edges of the block in no time.
And what about the storm?
Slainte!
Eruliel

 

[NeoScribe]

How does this explain the fact that Peter was also able to walk on water, then fall, then walk again as soon as Jesus grabbed him. Wouldnt the disciples, who had spent most of their lives around the sea, be able to distinguish between ice and water. If the ice was so see-through and so thin would it have broken as soon as Peter and Jesus were next to each other?

 

[Mea Culpa]

Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we practices to deceive.

 

[NeoScribe]

Never heard that ryhme before but it sounds very appropriat for this discussion. Did you think that up?

 

[RomanPrincess]

i heard something like this too and of course i don't believe it.I will always believe Jesus walked on water.
That sea of galiee is easyly turned into ice at times,i heard and now there saying Jesus "might" have walked on water ...but we know for sure Jesus walked on water.Just because it is a University doesn't mean what they say is biblical or always right.Know the Truth and guard that and stay true to the Truth.

 

[NeoScribe]

Amen!