Jesus through Mary

Benedicta00 · Apr 2, 2007

We are hair splitting now and disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

The dust that forms our new body is the dust of the body you have right now.

And the Jesus ascended into heaven by his own power. Are you really going to disagree with that, Iollain?

Benedicta00 · Apr 2, 2007

Okay, so he didn't ascend? is that a false statement?

As long as you know what is meant by "he was taken." It means he ascended by his own power.

Iollain · Apr 2, 2007

Yes as long as i have Scripture that says otherwise, i'll disagree with you and side with Scripture.

Benedicta00 · Apr 2, 2007

Iollain said:
Yes as long as i have Scripture that says otherwise, i'll disagree with you and side with Scripture.

Iollain,

We are saying the same darn thing.

Iollain · Apr 2, 2007

NOt really, the Bible says Jesus did everything by the power of the Father, and the Bible says Jesus ascended, and was taken. Revelations says the people of God ascended:

Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

You've got to rightly divide the word there.

Benedicta00 · Apr 2, 2007

I have no idea what you are arguing against.

Did Jesus or did he not ascend by his own power or not?

He is God, keep in mind. If he does something by the power of His father, he is doing it by his own power.

Iollain · Apr 2, 2007

Jesus is not the Father.

Benedicta00 · Apr 2, 2007

Iollain said:
Jesus is not the Father.

So?

repentant · Apr 2, 2007

Jesus did everything by the power of the Father, before His ressurection..after He was in His full Glory, and did things by His own power..

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Therefore, His ascension was by His own power...

Iollain · Apr 2, 2007

We are arguing because some people want to say Mary is risen incorruptible, and the Bible say so not.

repentant · Apr 2, 2007

Iollain said:
We are arguing because some people want to say Mary is risen incorruptible, and the Bible say so not.

Bible doesn't say she wasn't...not to mention she was alive when every Book was written...except Revelations..

Iollain · Apr 2, 2007

repentant said:
Jesus did everything by the power of the Father, before His ressurection..after He was in His full Glory, and did things by His own power..

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Therefore, His ascension was by His own power...

sure, His own power of/from the Father, and He cannot be taken and ascending on His own power Himself. He was being taken up to be glorified.

Iollain · Apr 2, 2007

repentant said:
Bible doesn't say she wasn't...not to mention she was alive when every Book was written...except Revelations..

By golly yes it does:

1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Cr 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

repentant · Apr 2, 2007

Iollain said:
sure, His own power of/from the Father, and He cannot be taken and ascending on His own power Himself. He was being taken up to be glorified.

Uh no..prior to the ressurection He always said HIs power is from the Father, after He said all power was given to Him..so therefore all the power was His...

repentant · Apr 2, 2007

Iollain said:
By golly yes it does:

1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Cr 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Yea, Mary died, and was taken to heaven...

Benedicta00 · Apr 2, 2007

repentant said:
Bible doesn't say she wasn't...not to mention she was alive when every Book was written...except Revelations..

Not to mention no one has every found her bones.

Iollain · Apr 2, 2007

Her body may have been taken, but it is not incorruptible yet, according to the Bible.

repentant · Apr 2, 2007

Iollain said:
Her body may have been taken, but it is not incorruptible yet, according to the Bible.

Well now we are talking semantics...but is anything heaven corruptable?

Benedicta00 · Apr 2, 2007

Iollain said:
Her body may have been taken, but it is not incorruptible yet, according to the Bible.

How could anything corruptible be in heaven? I thought nothing unclean shall enter?

jeffweeder · Apr 3, 2007

Jesus through Mary

How can you have Him any other way??

You have Him ONLY because Mary said 'Yes.'

Because of Mary's submission you have;
Christ...
Which in turn means you have;
Graces,
Hope in entering Heaven,
Forgiveness of sins,
The Father,
The Holy Spirit,
And Life ever lasting.

Yes, you have al of this through and from Christ....

BUT you would not have any of this without Mary.

God ordained it all so, since the beginning, that mankind would share all things in hope through Christ...

But in order to become man, God Himself choose His Daughter from the start.

He choose to Create Her for great things. For nothing is greater than the giving of Himself to man.

This is why Mary is our advocate, our mediatrix, our co-redeemer...

Because it was through her help, we have Jesus at all.

God Bless.

HOW CAN YOU HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY??

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This is another way-the only way.
Joseph was more of a key player in the coming forth of Christ into the world.

Ill try to explain what i mean;

First you had Gods promise of Messiah being born through the bloodline of King David.

Who was that?

MATT 1

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1 The record of the genealogy of Jesus[2][Heb Yeshua (Joshua), meaning The LORD saves ] the[3][Gr Christos (Christ), Gr for Messiah, which means Anointed One ] Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2 Abraham was[4][Lit fathered, and throughout the genealogy] the father of Isaac, Isaac[5][Lit and..., and throughout the genealogy] the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers. etc

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15 Eliud was the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob.
16 Jacob was the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the[16][Gr Christos (Christ)] Messiah.

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Joseph is the bloodline

MATT 1

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18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
19 And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man and not wanting to disgrace her, planned to[20][Or to divorce her ] send her away secretly.
20 But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying,"Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.

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Without the bloodline of Joseph, it would not have happened--They had to be betroathed so Gods original promise will not return to him void.

23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME [25][Or Emmanuel ]IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."
24 And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife,
25 but[27][Lit and was not knowing her ] kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus.

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Without them both believing in the original promise of God, you have no child

God declares that he makes the husband and wife one flesh, and this is how the old promise stands that Jesus is of the bloodline of David legally.

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