Jesus & the fig tree

[Righttruth]

The fact is many are making the fig tree a big deal when it's NOT Jesus' point at all!!!

The point Jesus is making...is when the disciples saw the very things happening to Jerusalem, that He had just prophesied in Matthew 24...they were to understand it was about to happen. No matter how many want to deny 70 AD...IT HAPPENED in 70 AD....the prophecy is fulfilled!

Jesus was telling THE DISCIPLES what to expect. It has NOTHING to do with today...NOTHING!!!

When properly read, the Olivet Discourse shows we are in the time of Matthew 25!!! Jesus will return and it has NOTHING to do with any Jerusalem but the "JERUSALEM ABOVE"!

Right. Jesus had already cursed fruitless Israel.

Matthew 21
19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

 

[dougangel]

The fact is many are making the fig tree a big deal when it's NOT Jesus' point at all!!!

The point Jesus is making...is when the disciples saw the very things happening to Jerusalem, that He had just prophesied in Matthew 24...they were to understand it was about to happen. No matter how many want to deny 70 AD...IT HAPPENED in 70 AD....the prophecy is fulfilled!

Jesus was telling THE DISCIPLES what to expect. It has NOTHING to do with today...NOTHING!!!

When properly read, the Olivet Discourse shows we are in the time of Matthew 25!!! Jesus will return and it has NOTHING to do with any Jerusalem but the "JERUSALEM ABOVE"!

Are you reading it properly ? Matthew 24 is a repeating prophecy. Can you explain why ?
Mathew 24:3-14 didn't just happen before 70 AD ?

People in their life span are always under Matthew 25 Keeping the faith.

 

[dougangel]

Right. Jesus had already cursed fruitless Israel.

Matthew 21
19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

It's interesting that ken 777 put this in these categories. Its spot on
1. Luke 13:6-9
2. Mat 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-22
3. Mat 24:32-35; Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33

1. the fig tree is getting chopped down.
2. the fig tree is getting cursed.
3. the fig tree. has leaves and is growing healthy.

1. fig tree is chopped down the roots are still there. In 3. the fig tree recovers. 1 and 3 are related. It's historical.
2. Is a different context. Its spiritual. Israel at the head of the old covenant is finished. It hasn't shown fruit.

""Jesus had already cursed fruitless Israel"" So why is he describing a fig tree with leaves in Mathew 24 after the signs of the end of the age recourse ? Because 2. is a different context than the other parables.
The disciples ask what are the sign of the end of the age? Israel is a self governing Country again (Not being trampled or controlled by gentile countries)This generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.

 

[Interplanner]

Mt24A was about 1st century Israel. After v29 it is worldwide. 24B could have taken place right after A but God decided to delay, which is why 2 Pet 3 was written.

re the last paragraph above: the place trampled was Jerusalem, and it still is. It is thick with tension.

The fruit he was looking for was belief and faith. Not municipality security and infrastructure.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Interplanner - luv ya - don't wanna sound too idiotic here...

but...

could you please go over once more - just for us old folks if ya will

your constant reference to

24A

and

24B

thanks in advance.

Interplanner - luv ya - don't wanna sound too idiotic here...

but...

could you please go over once more - just for us old folks if ya will

your constant reference to

24A

and

24B

thanks in advance.

The division line is v29's 'immediately after' (all of the above). So everything he had mentioned so far was one package.

The end of the world and the final judgement of the whole world was expected right after the DofJ. (In Luke there is not even an allowance expressed). But there is an allowance about the world's day--only the Father would decide.

A = the 1st century situation in Judea and the DofJ
B = the final day of judgement; the same as Rom 2, Acts 17, etc.

There are some similarities in preparing for both, and the early church really thought B would be right after A. (Luke give no hint of extension or delay).

Peter (2nd letter ch 3) therefore speaks to those cynics who complained that the 'coming never happened.' It makes 2 Pet 3 one of the most dynamic and relevant chapters of the NT.

The division line is v29's 'immediately after' (all of the above). So everything he had mentioned so far was one package.

The end of the world and the final judgement of the whole world was expected right after the DofJ. (In Luke there is not even an allowance expressed). But there is an allowance about the world's day--only the Father would decide.

A = the 1st century situation in Judea and the DofJ
B = the final day of judgement; the same as Rom 2, Acts 17, etc.

There are some similarities in preparing for both, and the early church really thought B would be right after A. (Luke give no hint of extension or delay).

Peter (2nd letter ch 3) therefore speaks to those cynics who complained that the 'coming never happened.' It makes 2 Pet 3 one of the most dynamic and relevant chapters of the NT.

Interplanner, Nov 23, 2013

 

[Interplanner]

The questions of the disciples were about the desolation he had just mentioned in ch 23 and their surprise about how nice all the temple buildings were. That desolation theme had started in ch 21 about the vineyard, etc. The answers of Mt24A up to v29 about this are set in Judea, and that generation. They are direct, first hand, urgent answers for them to use there that generation.

This also means that he identified the 'abomination that desolates' as a person in that generation. The indication matches what Dan 8-9 would say, since this most-evil person was first called the 'rebellion that desolates' in 8:13, which has a leader, and then is shown to be coming at the tail end of the 490 years and ruining Israel.

But 'right after' that was supposed to be the day of judgement of the whole world. The setting of what he says after v29 is now worldwide, although there are similarities in how one is to be prepared--both events are acts of judgement. But we also find out that only the Father knows the final day of judgement. We also know from Mk 13's parable of the attentive stewards that 4 options as to when the master would return are used to express the possibility of delay. (Mk 13 was prob written a bit earlier than Matthew). Finally, 2 Pet 3 explains why there would be a delay, and thus is aware that there has been.

(I'm having my doubts that I was expressing this this way in Nov. 2013, that would be 1.5 years ago. 2014, yes, but I don't think so in 2013).

Let me know if you are having other questions.

 

[Winepress777]

Do you think the fig tree mentioned in several places in the Gospels represents Israel, and does it have a prophetic significancefers to Israel?

1. Luke 13:6-9
2. Mat 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-22
3. Mat 24:32-35; Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33

Yes, and no. Jesus was simply showing how the prophecies to Israel made in the O.T. are fulfilled right then and there in the eyes and ears of those who could see... IN HIM. He Came as Promised. Those who didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah, didn't enter into His rest. The Jews rejected Him and remain blinded, the "bad figs". Excellent post thank you.

Here were the prophecies of the above fulfillments to the "good figs", Israel redeemed in Christ via the Gospel, as Promised;

(Isa 5:1) Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:


(Isa 5:2) And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.


(Isa 5:3) And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.


(Isa 5:4) What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?


(Isa 5:5) And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:


(Isa 5:6) And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.


(Isa 5:7) For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

(Jer 24:4) Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,


(Jer 24:5) Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.


(Jer 24:6) For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.


(Jer 24:7) And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

(Hos 9:10) I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

(Hos 9:16) Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.


(Hos 9:17) My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations.

(Hab 3:17) Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls:


(Hab 3:18) Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation.

(Psa 80:9) Thou preparedst room before it, and didst cause it to take deep root, and it filled the land.


(Psa 80:10) The hills were covered with the shadow of it, and the boughs thereof were like the goodly cedars.


(Psa 80:11) She sent out her boughs unto the sea, and her branches unto the river.


(Psa 80:12) Why hast thou then broken down her hedges, so that all they which pass by the way do pluck her?


(Psa 80:13) The boar out of the wood doth waste it, and the wild beast of the field doth devour it.


(Psa 80:14) Return, we beseech thee, O God of hosts: look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine;


(Psa 80:15) And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch that thou madest strong for thyself.


(Psa 80:16) It is burned with fire, it is cut down: they perish at the rebuke of thy countenance.


(Psa 80:17) Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.

(Jer 8:12) Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

(Jer 7:11) Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.


(Jer 8:13) I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade; and the things that I have given them shall pass away from them.

Fulfilled to those gathered out of the Gentiles where they had been scattered, Israel! The Church of the Living God. In Christ Jesus our Messiah, to whom we are Wedded in the New Covenant promised to those who are Now of Him who is the True Vine. Jesus our Husband. Israel Remarried as Promised. Fruitful in this Land forever more:

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(Heb 12:24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant...

The Gospel is Only to Israel;

(Mat 15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(Gal 6:15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
(Gal 6:16) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Thank you Messiah dear Father!

 

[dougangel]

Yes, and no. Jesus was simply showing how the prophecies to Israel made in the O.T. are fulfilled right then and there in the eyes and ears of those who could see... IN HIM. He Came as Promised. Those who didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah, didn't enter into His rest. The Jews rejected Him and remain blinded, the "bad figs". Excellent post thank you.

Here were the prophecies of the above fulfillments to the "good figs", Israel redeemed in Christ via the Gospel, as Promised;

(Isa 5:1) Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:


(Isa 5:2) And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.


(Isa 5:3) And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.


(Isa 5:4) What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?


(Isa 5:5) And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:


(Isa 5:6) And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.


(Isa 5:7) For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for judgment, but behold oppression; for righteousness, but behold a cry.

(Jer 24:4) Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,


(Jer 24:5) Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.


(Jer 24:6) For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.


(Jer 24:7) And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

(Hos 9:10) I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

(Hos 9:16) Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.


(Hos 9:17) My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations.

(Hab 3:17) Although the fig tree shall not blossom, neither shall fruit be in the vines; the labour of the olive shall fail, and the fields shall yield no meat; the flock shall be cut off from the fold, and there shall be no herd in the stalls:


(Hab 3:18) Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the God of my salvation.

(Psa 80:9) Thou preparedst room before it, and didst cause it to take deep root, and it filled the land.


(Psa 80:10) The hills were covered with the shadow of it, and the boughs thereof were like the goodly cedars.


(Psa 80:11) She sent out her boughs unto the sea, and her branches unto the river.


(Psa 80:12) Why hast thou then broken down her hedges, so that all they which pass by the way do pluck her?


(Psa 80:13) The boar out of the wood doth waste it, and the wild beast of the field doth devour it.


(Psa 80:14) Return, we beseech thee, O God of hosts: look down from heaven, and behold, and visit this vine;


(Psa 80:15) And the vineyard which thy right hand hath planted, and the branch that thou madest strong for thyself.


(Psa 80:16) It is burned with fire, it is cut down: they perish at the rebuke of thy countenance.


(Psa 80:17) Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.

(Jer 8:12) Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

(Jer 7:11) Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.


(Jer 8:13) I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade; and the things that I have given them shall pass away from them.

Fulfilled to those gathered out of the Gentiles where they had been scattered, Israel! The Church of the Living God. In Christ Jesus our Messiah, to whom we are Wedded in the New Covenant promised to those who are Now of Him who is the True Vine. Jesus our Husband. Israel Remarried as Promised. Fruitful in this Land forever more:

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(Heb 12:24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant...

The Gospel is Only to Israel;

(Mat 15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

(Gal 6:15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
(Gal 6:16) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Thank you Messiah dear Father!

There some of the OT scriptures identifying Israel with the fig. I didn't quite go into that so good one..(although some are out of context of what where talking about)
I think what your saying covers.
2. Mat 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-22

But doesn't really explain
1. Luke 13:6-9
3. Mat 24:32-35; Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33

 

[Viren]

I have read Adam Clarks opinion that "trees" symbolized nations. Judah/Israel was in his opinion symbolized by a fig tree and the other natiins other trees.

When they say Israel and all the trees pushing their leaves represented the nations pushing against Rome in a short period of late '60's AD in revolt of Neros reign and tactics.

I also appreciate the post that connects the fig tree with the fig leaves of Eden. I hadn't made that connection before.

Habbakkuk (ch 2 I believe) mentions the fig tree in connection with the time of judgement through rome.

Yep, Habbakkuk 3:17

"Though the fig tree does not bud
and there are no grapes on the vines,
though the olive crop fails
and the fields produce no food
though there are no sheep in the pen
and no cattle in the stalls,
18 yet I will rejoice in the Lord,
I will be joyful in God my Savior."

 

[Winepress777]

There some of the OT scriptures identifying Israel with the fig. I didn't quite go into that so good one..(although some are out of context of what where talking about)
I think what your saying covers.
2. Mat 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-22

But doesn't really explain
1. Luke 13:6-9
3. Mat 24:32-35; Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33

None of what I posted of God's Word surrounding the fig tree topic is out of context. It is covered in your above references. All one big picture, one topic. Seamless. Clear.

 

[dougangel]

None of what I posted of God's Word surrounding the fig tree topic is out of context. It is covered in your above references. All one big picture, one topic. Seamless. Clear.

Jeremiah 24:1-10 Good and bad figs represent the Jews in captivity, and those who remain in their own land. - The prophet saw two baskets of figs set before the temple, as offerings of first-fruits. The figs in one basket were very good, those in the other basket very bad. What creature viler than a wicked man? and what more valuable than a godly man? This vision was to raise the spirits of those gone into captivity, by assuring them of a happy return; and to humble and awaken the proud and secure spirits of those yet in Jerusalem, by assuring them of a miserable captivity. The good figs represents the pious captives. We cannot determine as to God's love or hatred by what is before us. Early suffering sometimes proves for the best. The sooner the child is corrected, the better effect the correction is likely to have. Even this captivity was for their good; and God's intentions never are in vain. By afflictions they were convinced of sin, humbled under the hand of God, weaned from the world, taught to pray, and turned from sins, particularly from idolatry. God promises that he will own them in captivity. The Lord will own those who are his, in all conditions. God assures them of his protection in trouble, and a glorious deliverance in due time. When our troubles are sanctified to us, we may be sure that they will end well. They shall return to him with their whole heart. Thus they should have liberty to own him for their God, to pray to him, and expect blessings from him. The bad figs were Zedekiah and those of his party yet in the land. These should be removed for their hurt, and forsaken of all mankind. God has many judgments, and those that escape one, may expect another, till they are brought to repent. Doubtless, this prophecy had its fulfilment in that age.

Well this has nothing to do with the Roman dispersing or the rejection that went on then. Or Christ. It’s about the Babylonians conquering of Israel . Surprisingly the good figs are Babylon Jews and the bad figs are in Israel and Egypt. It has been fulfilled. Like I said it has the word fig in it but it’s quite out of context.

I’m not going to spend all my time checking context of all the scripture you have there.

But I’m not sure totally what your trying to say there.

Putting lots of scripture there like that and not explaining it. Well it’s a bit frustrating for the reader. Because your covering so much scripture with different contexts. I don’t know what your trying to say.

 

[Winepress777]

Jeremiah 24:1-10 Good and bad figs represent the Jews in captivity, and those who remain in their own land. - The prophet saw two baskets of figs set before the temple, as offerings of first-fruits. The figs in one basket were very good, those in the other basket very bad. What creature viler than a wicked man? and what more valuable than a godly man? This vision was to raise the spirits of those gone into captivity, by assuring them of a happy return; and to humble and awaken the proud and secure spirits of those yet in Jerusalem, by assuring them of a miserable captivity. The good figs represents the pious captives. We cannot determine as to God's love or hatred by what is before us. Early suffering sometimes proves for the best. The sooner the child is corrected, the better effect the correction is likely to have. Even this captivity was for their good; and God's intentions never are in vain. By afflictions they were convinced of sin, humbled under the hand of God, weaned from the world, taught to pray, and turned from sins, particularly from idolatry. God promises that he will own them in captivity. The Lord will own those who are his, in all conditions. God assures them of his protection in trouble, and a glorious deliverance in due time. When our troubles are sanctified to us, we may be sure that they will end well. They shall return to him with their whole heart. Thus they should have liberty to own him for their God, to pray to him, and expect blessings from him. The bad figs were Zedekiah and those of his party yet in the land. These should be removed for their hurt, and forsaken of all mankind. God has many judgments, and those that escape one, may expect another, till they are brought to repent. Doubtless, this prophecy had its fulfilment in that age.

Well this has nothing to do with the Roman dispersing or the rejection that went on then. Or Christ. It’s about the Babylonians conquering of Israel . Surprisingly the good figs are Babylon Jews and the bad figs are in Israel and Egypt. It has been fulfilled. Like I said it has the word fig in it but it’s quite out of context.

I’m not going to spend all my time checking context of all the scripture you have there.

But I’m not sure totally what your trying to say there.

Putting lots of scripture there like that and not explaining it. Well it’s a bit frustrating for the reader. Because your covering so much scripture with different contexts. I don’t know what your trying to say.

It is only frustrating to a reader who is looking for another man's opinion. It is obvious you didn't read those scriptures. Then you wouldn't have posted this conjecture. The scriptures posted, as I said, is God's answer to this OP. The references in the N.T. are the same simple message of Isaiah. You will never be any closer to comprehending the N.T. refs unless you thoroughly comprehend the BASIS of those refs, which is in the O.T. that I provided. It is all One Context. There are the tools, use them joyfully to receive the "context" that you for some reason think is "out of context" when you don't know what the 'context' is. Make sense? Peace

 

[ebedmelech]

Are you reading it properly ?

I think I am!

Matthew 24 is a repeating prophecy. Can you explain why ?

Actually it's not. It's a *similar* prophecy but not a repeating prophecy.

Mathew 24:3-14 didn't just happen before 70 AD ?

Matthew 24:3-14 was events that led up to the destruction of Jerusalem, told to the disciples by Jesus. It never happened before...because in 70 AD the temple was totally destroyed and Jesus never prophesied it to happen again. NOT ONE STONE LEFT.

People in their life span are always under Matthew 25 Keeping the faith.

Indeed! The Bride is expecting the Bridegroom!

 

[dougangel]

It is only frustrating to a reader who is looking for another man's opinion. It is obvious you didn't read those scriptures. Then you wouldn't have posted this conjecture. The scriptures posted, as I said, is God's answer to this OP. The references in the N.T. are the same simple message of Isaiah. You will never be any closer to comprehending the N.T. refs unless you thoroughly comprehend the BASIS of those refs, which is in the O.T. that I provided. It is all One Context. There are the tools, use them joyfully to receive the "context" that you for some reason think is "out of context" when you don't know what the 'context' is. Make sense? Peace

Look, I went to some effort to address one out of context scripture in Post 32. the prophet is saying the good figs are the Israelites who are dragged off to Babylon. He tells them they will return to Israel.
It has nothing to do with 70 ad or a re-gathering of Israel in End times.

 

[dougangel]

I think I am!

Actually it's not. It's a *similar* prophecy but not a repeating prophecy.

Matthew 24:3-14 was events that led up to the destruction of Jerusalem, told to the disciples by Jesus. It never happened before...because in 70 AD the temple was totally destroyed and Jesus never prophesied it to happen again. NOT ONE STONE LEFT.

Indeed! The Bride is expecting the Bridegroom!

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Is this really talking only about a 40 year time period between when Jesus said it and 70 ad ????

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The gospel preached to the whole world isn’t fulfilled that piece is past 70 ad.
End of the Age.
Things like faith and gospel are said by Jesus. Seems to be addressing believers.

Verse 15 starts again from the the desolation.

Words like Sabbath , Judea seems to be talking about Israel or the jews.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other..

A description of the end of the age REPEATS

 

[Winepress777]

Look, I went to some effort to address one out of context scripture in Post 32. the prophet is saying the good figs are the Israelites who are dragged off to Babylon. He tells them they will return to Israel.
It has nothing to do with 70 ad or a re-gathering of Israel in End times.

Yes, don't listen to any man. Just God. Why do you want to listen to me? That's why I provided you His answer. God's answer. Comparing spiritual things with spiritual. Anything to do with what Isaiah prophecied is fulfilled in the N.T. Quotes you provided. Jesus is the fulfillment. The righteous Israel are the believers, the good figs. The bad figs are the wicked Israel, cut off, cast out up rooted etc etc. But why hear it from me? It is all right there. I don't get why you keep asking. It is all one context. Are you a "dispensationalist" per chance? Because that is the only reason I can guess why it isn't clear from God's Word, to where you want me to explain it in some other Words than His...

 

[Winepress777]

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Is this really talking only about a 40 year time period between when Jesus said it and 70 ad ????

9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

The gospel preached to the whole world isn’t fulfilled that piece is past 70 ad.
End of the Age.
Things like faith and gospel are said by Jesus. Seems to be addressing believers.

Verse 15 starts again from the the desolation.

Words like Sabbath , Judea seems to be talking about Israel or the jews.

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other..

A description of the end of the age REPEATS

Yes, this was fulfilled in AD 70. If you don't perceive that, nothing will make sense, and then is born the "futurist" who didn't see it go by lol

 

[dougangel]

Yes, this was fulfilled in AD 70. If you don't perceive that, nothing will make sense, and then is born the "futurist" who didn't see it go by lol

Ok lets see what where dealing with here. Verse 14 and 30 haven't happened yet have they ???

 

[Winepress777]

Ok lets see what where dealing with here. Verse 14 and 30 haven't happened yet have they ???

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come

This has been happening for 2000 years now and will continue, just as it says. The Olivet prophecy contains the message to the Jerusalem Church to exit forth and flee. Correct?
Then, this New Jerusalem Church Mt Sion Body of believers, goes forth into all the world preaching the Gospel unto the end.

Like a small rock growing into a mountain;

(Dan 2:35) Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

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Like a measure of yeast growing in dough;

(Mat 13:33) Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

The Gospel now goes forth from Mt Sion in whom we are that one mountain;

(Heb 12:22) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

(Heb 12:23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

(Heb 12:24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant...

Through the foolishness of preaching...

(1Co 1:21) For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

The bad figs were cast out in AD 70, the Church was dispersed abroad to gather together the elect remnant of Israel yet to come in, of which you and I are ones, and the Gospel goes unto the ends of the earth.

There is the story in a nutshell Thanks for asking really, it is always enjoyable to share scriptures and our Heritage in Israel with another. As you can see, it is all one story from Isaiah to Jesus time, to the significant events of AD 70, that Heralded the Commandment of Jesus to;

(Act 2:39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Fulfilling His Promise to Israel in the O.T. in places like ISAIAH over and over when He cast the ten tribes of Israel "afar off" into the "Gentiles", the Gospel is how he "Gathers them back". EXACTLY as Promised. That began 2000 years ago.

The Gospel is the fulfillment of the Word sent to Israel; It began right here, when Peter was told to preach to the GENTILES...

(Act 10:34) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:


(Act 10:35) But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


(Act 10:36) The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

(Gal 6:15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


(Gal 6:16) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[Dave Watchman]

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Jesus' comment "Look at the fig tree and all the trees." is interesting. Just wondering whether that is a reference to the proliferation of nations since WW11. The number of countries in the UN in 1945 was 51, today it is 193.

That's good thinking, I never thought to check for an increase in the actual number of nations. I had previously suspected that "all the trees" was Israel's neighbors returning all within five years of the Fig.

“Look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near"​

From 1943 to 1952 five countries came back to life after being dead for a long time. Israel AND it's four neighbors: Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt.
All within five years of the birth of The Fig Tree in 1948.

Israel is "the fig tree" and Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt are "all the trees." I doubt that the chain of events at the end of WW2 (after nation rose against nation and kingdom against kingdom) that resulted in these trees coming back to life was a random chance occurrence.


Lebanon (1943)

Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French separated out the region of Lebanon in 1920, and granted this area independence in 1943.

Jordan (1946)

Following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the UK received a mandate to govern much of the Middle East. Britain separated out a semi-autonomous region of Transjordan from Palestine in the early 1920s, and the area gained its independence in 1946; it adopted the name of Jordan in 1950.

Syria (1946)

Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French administered the area as Syria until granting it independence in 1946.

Egypt (1952)

Partially independent from the UK in 1922, Egypt acquired full sovereignty with the overthrow of the British-backed monarchy in 1952.


From the CIA World Fact Book:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/wfbExt/region_mde.html
(Click on the name of the country from the list and then "introduction")


summer is here ?

PS. If you guys get a chance can you look at this note #144 and think about it.
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ll-not-pass-away.7776767/page-8#post-68196232
I think that because of the difference in the actual number of signs given that we can tell which "generation" Jesus is speaking to in the various Matthew chapters. It would mean in effect that all of Matthew 24 could not possibly be talking about the evil and adulterous 70AD. generation no matter what questions the disciples thought they were asking.
It would mean that the Fig Tree has to be 1948.