Jesus The Creationist

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

Christ the Creationist
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be" (Mark 13:19).
In predicting a future judgment on the unbelieving world, the Lord Jesus referred to "the beginning of the creation which God created," thus affirming the Biblical doctrine of supernatural, sudden creation. In the pagan world of His day, evolutionism was dominant almost everywhere. The Epicureans, for example, were atheistic evolutionists. The Stoics, Gnostics, Platonists, and others, were pantheistic evolutionists. None of the extra-Biblical philosophers of His day believed in a God who had created all things, including even the universe itself.
But Christ was a creationist, and the much maligned "scientific creationists" of today are following His example and teaching. He even believed in recent creation, for He said (speaking of Adam and Eve) that "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6). The pagans all believed in an eternal cosmos, but Jesus said it had a beginning, and that man and woman were a part of that beginning creation, following which, "The sabbath was made for man" (Mark 2:27).
He also believed that the "two accounts" of creation (Genesis 1 and 2) were complimentary, not contradictory, for He quoted from both in the same context. "Have ye not read," He said, "that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female |Genesis 1|, And said For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? |Genesis 2|" (Matthew 19:4-6).
There may be some Christians who are evolutionists, but there is no such thing as "Christian evolution," for Christ was a creationist! HMM

From www.icr.org.

I never really thought about Jesus as a Creationist promoter, but I already knew he was the Almighty.

 

[theIdi0t]

Christ the Creationist
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

Forget this, I'm paying $15 dollars, and getting a Ph. D by my name too. The Idiot, Ph. D.

In the pagan world of His day, evolutionism was dominant almost everywhere. The Epicureans, for example, were atheistic evolutionists. The Stoics, Gnostics, Platonists, and others, were pantheistic evolutionists. None of the extra-Biblical philosophers of His day believed in a God who had created all things, including even the universe itself.

But Christ was a creationist, and the much maligned "scientific creationists" of today are following His example and teaching. He even believed in recent creation, for He said (speaking of Adam and Eve) that "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6).

Wow, so the pagans, and the gnostics, and the stoics, knew about the changes in frequency of genes in a population over time?

And God didn't create them male and female in the begining, in the begining God created the heavens and the earth, is Jesus calling God a liar?

It was on a latter date that male and female were created, and he's just refering to their creation as the begining of mankind.
That's clear to see in the passage.

I hope you're not trying to make us believe that he's talking about male and female birds, and fish? Because they were made male and female even before humans? In fact he made male first, and female on a later date...? What gives?

 

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

Uh no. I can see that ur making some assumptions.

 

[theIdi0t]

Uh no. I can see that ur making some assumptions.

I can see I'm not the only one.

"(T)he theory of evolution was devised on top of the tower of Babel by the Babylonian king, Nimrod, and Satan." -- Henry Morris, Ph. D


God bless.

 

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

We all make assumptions when looking at the same evidence.

 

[theIdi0t]

We all make assumptions when looking at the same evidence.

Yes, some just more far-fetched than others.

Case in point: "(T)he theory of evolution was devised on top of the tower of Babel by the Babylonian king, Nimrod, and Satan." ~ Henry Morris, PhD

 

[busterdog]

Christ the Creationist
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be" (Mark 13:19).
In predicting a future judgment on the unbelieving world, the Lord Jesus referred to "the beginning of the creation which God created," thus affirming the Biblical doctrine of supernatural, sudden creation. In the pagan world of His day, evolutionism was dominant almost everywhere. The Epicureans, for example, were atheistic evolutionists. The Stoics, Gnostics, Platonists, and others, were pantheistic evolutionists. None of the extra-Biblical philosophers of His day believed in a God who had created all things, including even the universe itself.
But Christ was a creationist, and the much maligned "scientific creationists" of today are following His example and teaching. He even believed in recent creation, for He said (speaking of Adam and Eve) that "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6). The pagans all believed in an eternal cosmos, but Jesus said it had a beginning, and that man and woman were a part of that beginning creation, following which, "The sabbath was made for man" (Mark 2:27).
He also believed that the "two accounts" of creation (Genesis 1 and 2) were complimentary, not contradictory, for He quoted from both in the same context. "Have ye not read," He said, "that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female |Genesis 1|, And said For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? |Genesis 2|" (Matthew 19:4-6).
There may be some Christians who are evolutionists, but there is no such thing as "Christian evolution," for Christ was a creationist! HMM

From www.icr.org.

I never really thought about Jesus as a Creationist promoter, but I already knew he was the Almighty.

If one can establish that evolution was endemic in ancient religion, I think one can make the case about the Tower of Babel, though it of course requires some extrapolation.

It is no less speculative than assuming that the writer of the Torah had the same views as his Pagan neighbors.

I have never heard that evolution was endemic as such. I thought we had these fabulous myths and sexual acts to explain creation.

 

[PaladinValer]

Do you believe that the crators on the moon are the result of the battles between the armies of the Devil and St. Michael the Archangel?

Incidentally, he's not a credible source. He only had a minor in geology.

 

[shernren]

Pray tell, who first proposed natural selection?

 

[Assyrian]

Fixity of Species was a creationist doctrine that came from Plato and Aristotle. Who showed the creationist they needed to modify it to fixity of kind?

People with modified Pagan doctrines shouldn't be pointing fingers.

 

[Gottservant]

How sad, an entirely sensible thread with very sound reasoning and so few give it attention.

I think Christ pushed the line a little further out concerning what He believed... In Matthew 12:33 Jesus challenged those who would come up with other ideas about life, the universe and everything saying

"Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt; for the tree is known by its fruit."

In other words, we are not to say "I believe in... things greater than God" without specifying what they are, as if we could deny God for reasons undefined. This is in keeping with the words of God in Isaiah 41:23

"Yes, do good, or do evil, so that we may be amazed and see together. "

It is Jesus' words that really put theories like "evolution" to the test. Does evolution pass the test? No. "Evolution" claims things like "no telos", "no agency" and "no predictable outcome", all of which are intended to preserve the integrity of the theory against certain falsification.

This is what God says about people who puff themselves up without acting good or evil, one way or the other in Isaiah 41:24

Behold, you are of nothing, and your work of nothing. He who chooses you is an abomination.

That is a stern warning to those who believe things like "evolution" and a far cry from true about the person and works of the beloved Son. Christ fulfilled the law and always made His fruit good; never once did Christ suggest that we are to be consigned to our fate in the evolutionary chain. Rather, when faced with someone others could easily have said had simply "evolved" that way, Jesus said, recorded in John 9:3,

"Jesus answered, Neither has this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God might be revealed in him."

And He healed Him.

Isn't it nice to know we have a God like Christ?

 

[Deamiter]

It is Jesus' words that really put theories like "evolution" to the test. Does evolution pass the test? No. "Evolution" claims things like "no telos", "no agency" and "no predictable outcome", all of which are intended to preserve the integrity of the theory against certain falsification.

Haven't you been told before that Evolution is agnostic? Would Gravity and germ theory pass your test of invoking a supernatural entity?

 

[random_guy]

We all make assumptions when looking at the same evidence.

Yeah, we see evidence that the Holocaust happened and that we landed on the moon, other people see that the Holocaust never happened, and that the moon landing was faked. Same evidence, different assumptions, but perfect analogy.

When 99.9% of biologists, the people who study evolution accept it as the best current theory, every single government scientific organization accepts it, nearly every accredited university (minus 1 Christian university) accepts evolution and only those that have very little experience in science or biology reject it, it's pretty obvious which side has the correct interpretation of the evidence.

 

[MrSnow]

It is Jesus' words that really put theories like "evolution" to the test. Does evolution pass the test? No. "Evolution" claims things like "no telos", "no agency" and "no predictable outcome", all of which are intended to preserve the integrity of the theory against certain falsification.

Is evolution an entitiy that it can "claim" anything?

What does Jesus say that contradicts the fact that each new generation is a recombination of the genes of its partents, and thus a mutation?

Please learn that "evolution" is not counterchristian. Rather, it is the nonchristian worldview to which evolution is paired that is counterchristian, but which makes evolution seem counterchristian.

Humidity doesn't make the air hot. It's the hot air that makes the humidity feel hot. See the connection?

 

[Mavros]

Christ the Creationist
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be" (Mark 13:19).
In predicting a future judgment on the unbelieving world, the Lord Jesus referred to "the beginning of the creation which God created," thus affirming the Biblical doctrine of supernatural, sudden creation. In the pagan world of His day, evolutionism was dominant almost everywhere. The Epicureans, for example, were atheistic evolutionists. The Stoics, Gnostics, Platonists, and others, were pantheistic evolutionists. None of the extra-Biblical philosophers of His day believed in a God who had created all things, including even the universe itself.
But Christ was a creationist, and the much maligned "scientific creationists" of today are following His example and teaching. He even believed in recent creation, for He said (speaking of Adam and Eve) that "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10:6). The pagans all believed in an eternal cosmos, but Jesus said it had a beginning, and that man and woman were a part of that beginning creation, following which, "The sabbath was made for man" (Mark 2:27).
He also believed that the "two accounts" of creation (Genesis 1 and 2) were complimentary, not contradictory, for He quoted from both in the same context. "Have ye not read," He said, "that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female |Genesis 1|, And said For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? |Genesis 2|" (Matthew 19:4-6).
There may be some Christians who are evolutionists, but there is no such thing as "Christian evolution," for Christ was a creationist! HMM

From www.icr.org.

I never really thought about Jesus as a Creationist promoter, but I already knew he was the Almighty.

we dont have mutch evidence that he lived in first place and yet you are so sure what he is and what he isnt

 

[theIdi0t]

we dont have mutch evidence that he lived in first place and yet you are so sure what he is and what he isnt

Perhaps you should take this baloney to the appropriate forum.

I guess it's okay to label those who deny the vast majority of scientist on science as fanatics, but it's another thing to deny the vast majority of historians on history? This only reveals your ignorance, and I believe this is not the first time someone has told you to take such remarks to the appropriate forum.

Are we listening now?

 

[artybloke]

Why would a 1st century person's opinion on whether or not evolution was or was not true be of any significance to the fact of whether it was true or not, anyway?

How would Jesus know whether evolution was true or not?

 

[Galle]

Perhaps you should take this baloney to the appropriate forum.

I guess it's okay to label those who deny the vast majority of scientist on science as fanatics, but it's another thing to deny the vast majority of historians on history? This only reveals your ignorance, and I believe this is not the first time someone has told you to take such remarks to the appropriate forum.

Are we listening now?

While the question of Jesus' existence is beyond the scope of this particular forum, your response is hardly appropriate. Furthermore, if you're going to make vague statements about "the vast majority of historians on history" without even a hint of support, then you're no better than the creationists. Perhaps you should take your trolling to an appropriate forum yourself, theIdiot.

Edit: despite my earlier words that this question is beyond the scope of this particular forum, I think I should explain further.

I believe in Jesus' existence and divinity, but these positions are based on faith. When compared to the existence of ancient Rome or the Battle of Gettysburg, the evidence for Jesus' existence would be paltry, nevermind the evidence for Him being more than a rabbi. As such, to claim that my beliefs were echoed by historians in a professional manner would be blatantly dishonest, as dishonest as a creationists' claim that more and more scientists are abandoning evolution for IDism. It would be a lie made simply to make my own belief look more impressive than it really is to someone who puts his trust in experts. Indeed, it would be appealing to unnamed experts without even a cursory glance at examining the evidence. Furthermore, I feel that the claim exposes us to the same danger that creationists expose themselves to, namely linking all Christianity to extant evidence. If one links a theological belief to some supposed mountain of evidence (without actually examining what that evidence actually is), then it's imperative that this mountain of evidence be just as extensive and just as impressive and just as definitive as advertised. If it falls short, then the case for that particular theological belief is greatly weakened instead of improved.

 

[SuperSaint4GodDBZStyle]

Do you believe that the crators on the moon are the result of the battles between the armies of the Devil and St. Michael the Archangel?

Incidentally, he's not a credible source. He only had a minor in geology.

I haven't responded to this thread in a while, but if the devil and his angels and God's angels were fighting on the moon creating the creators, they would have to be fighting like the characters on Dragon Ball Z destroying huge areas of land with energy waves and balls. They would have to pretty strong to send another angel down to the moon's surface like an asteroid hitting it. LOL I just thought I'd brought that up. lol.

 

[PaladinValer]

The point is that your source is not credible not only due to lack of applicable academic credentials, but due to outright outrageous ideas that are products of a psuedoscientific mindset.

Crators were caused by meteorite impacts, not heavenly duels as your source thinks. We can see imprints of colossal impacts from space on the surface of the Earth even today.

Do you still stand by your source here?