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Jesus of History and Myth

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Further evidence the authors were Divinely inspired.
 
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There is no YHWH.
Everyone will Answer to Yahweh ..... even those who do not believe....
Oh, He might not let you speak - there is no defense after all... there is no excuse accepted.... Being thrown in the lake of fire is not to be desired !

He knows .....

EVERY secret will be out in the open, revealed.......
 
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None of that will happen.
 
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Because we believe it to be true
AH HA ! A possible step !

The first of however many steps are needed...... ?

If you did not believe it to be true, just "if" it were not true, what then ?

Would you still believe it ?
 
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Further evidence it is all made up.
If it was, and I don't believe that for one second, but if it was... I still think I'm better-off than I would've been without believing.
 
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I do not even know where to begin with such a response....

1. Eyewitness testimony can only be confirmed by eyewitnesses. We have none outside the later NT writings; which by the way, often times elude to not being written from the perspective of being a first-hand account by the way... None of Saul's writings demonstrate being a first hand witness of others. The Gospels even conflict in reports, regarding what Jesus was doing, and where He was located, the last month of His life. It appears as wishful thinking to believe as valid. Let alone accepting the claims of the supernatural to boot.

2. There exists NO way to refute what someone else saw, if the one refuting or not believing the claim was not there. If the person attempting to refute the claim was not there, they can't. However, and this is a HUGE however, the fact there exists no secular accounts of seeing the walking dead, the rising dead, or a post mortem Jesus, (as it's expressed in scripture of many seeing as such), is what's ACTUALLY odd.


3. To validate a large claim, such as being a direct witness to a supernatural event, it would lend more credibility if the only reports were not only exclusively from the bias of the reports in which they originated (i.e.), soley from the Bible writers.

4. Any secular later writings were simply reports of what was believed by others. No secular writings were even alive at the time such events were claimed (i.e.) Josephus, Tacitus, etc...
 
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This entire response just reinforces my position. Which is...

It seems convenient that the only report of such a miraculous event is from the bias report of the Bible writer itself. We have no other reported sightings; even though the Bible mentions MANY seeing as such. Seems odd. Don't you think?

So again, what's more likely?

a) It really happened because "Matthew" says so.
b) "Matthew" wrote of such a tale decades after the claimed event, and by the time there would be people literate enough to even read of such a claim, they would have not been alive during the claimed event anyways. And being that we have absolutely no surviving documentation in the first or second century of a report, option b) appears more highly likely.
 
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