Jesus = Michael?

[9Rock9]

So, I used to associate with the 7th Day Adventist Church even though I never officially joined them. Even though I no longer agree with their doctrines, I still find their theology fascinating and like to debate them from the Bible.

There is one doctrine I associated with the SDA that I don't recall hearing about during my time among them. It's the idea that Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael are the same person.

Now, tbf to the Adventists, thet don't actually think that Jesus was an angel or a created being. How it was explained to me is that "Michael" is the name the angels use to refer to Jesus Christ. Also, "archangel" refers to a position or rank, not a type of Angel. In other words, Jesus is not an angel, but he is the commander over the angels.

Idk what to make of this. It's definitely a niche view, but I don't think it's exactly heretical since the Adventists are denying Christ's divinity nor his eternal nature.

While there seems to be some similarities with the Jehovah's Witness doctrine, there are some differences. It's not surprising since the JWs came out of Adventism.

What are your thoughts aboht this?

 

[reBoot]

Jesus = Michael?​

Here is a quote from White's "The Desire of Ages" (1898):

The words of the angel, “I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God,” show that he holds a position of high honor in the heavenly courts. When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, “There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael [Christ] your Prince.”

- source, page 70

 

[Hentenza]

So, I used to associate with the 7th Day Adventist Church even though I never officially joined them. Even though I no longer agree with their doctrines, I still find their theology fascinating and like to debate them from the Bible.

There is one doctrine I associated with the SDA that I don't recall hearing about during my time among them. It's the idea that Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael are the same person.

Now, tbf to the Adventists, thet don't actually think that Jesus was an angel or a created being. How it was explained to me is that "Michael" is the name the angels use to refer to Jesus Christ. Also, "archangel" refers to a position or rank, not a type of Angel. In other words, Jesus is not an angel, but he is the commander over the angels.

Idk what to make of this. It's definitely a niche view, but I don't think it's exactly heretical since the Adventists are denying Christ's divinity nor his eternal nature.

While there seems to be some similarities with the Jehovah's Witness doctrine, there are some differences. It's not surprising since the JWs came out of Adventism.

What are your thoughts aboht this?

I don’t think Michael is a title for Jesus or that the angels referred to Jesus by that name. I’ll go to the obvious verse where Michael is fighting with the devil over the body of Moses. Jesus would have no problem pronouncing an abusive (slander) judgement against Satan. Michael here is deferring judgement to the Lord and Jesus is the Lord and would not defer to Himself.

“But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him an abusive judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!””
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Jude 1:9 (NASB2020) - But Michael the archangel, when he | YouVersion

But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him an abusive judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

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[Maria Billingsley]

So, I used to associate with the 7th Day Adventist Church even though I never officially joined them. Even though I no longer agree with their doctrines, I still find their theology fascinating and like to debate them from the Bible.

There is one doctrine I associated with the SDA that I don't recall hearing about during my time among them. It's the idea that Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael are the same person.

Now, tbf to the Adventists, thet don't actually think that Jesus was an angel or a created being. How it was explained to me is that "Michael" is the name the angels use to refer to Jesus Christ. Also, "archangel" refers to a position or rank, not a type of Angel. In other words, Jesus is not an angel, but he is the commander over the angels.

Idk what to make of this. It's definitely a niche view, but I don't think it's exactly heretical since the Adventists are denying Christ's divinity nor his eternal nature.

While there seems to be some similarities with the Jehovah's Witness doctrine, there are some differences. It's not surprising since the JWs came out of Adventism.

What are your thoughts aboht this?

It is difficult to reconcile the first mention of Michael, in Daniel 10:13 , with the presumption that he is the Son of God as it clearly states that he is " one" of the chief princes.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, I used to associate with the 7th Day Adventist Church even though I never officially joined them. Even though I no longer agree with their doctrines, I still find their theology fascinating and like to debate them from the Bible.

There is one doctrine I associated with the SDA that I don't recall hearing about during my time among them. It's the idea that Jesus Christ and the Archangel Michael are the same person.

Now, tbf to the Adventists, thet don't actually think that Jesus was an angel or a created being. How it was explained to me is that "Michael" is the name the angels use to refer to Jesus Christ. Also, "archangel" refers to a position or rank, not a type of Angel. In other words, Jesus is not an angel, but he is the commander over the angels.

Idk what to make of this. It's definitely a niche view, but I don't think it's exactly heretical since the Adventists are denying Christ's divinity nor his eternal nature.

While there seems to be some similarities with the Jehovah's Witness doctrine, there are some differences. It's not surprising since the JWs came out of Adventism.

What are your thoughts aboht this?

Thank you for at least presenting the argument correctly. Many twist this into we believe Jesus is a created being and that is the furthest from the truth. We believe its another Title for Jesus- Commander, Price, Defender of God's people

There is a few reasons we believe this from Scripture.

First angel means- messenger mal’ak

Jesus is referred to in Scripture as the Angel of the Lord and speaks as God

An example:

Exo 3:2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.” 4 So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”

Later identifies Himself as “I AM” Exodus 3:14
Which is Jesus Before Abraham was, I AM. John8:58

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil
Rev 12:7 Michael and his angels fought with the dragon
The central conflict in Scripture- Christ vs Satan

One Scripture uses the voice of the Son of God with the voice of the Archangel interchangeably at His Second Coming to raise those who are dead in Christ

John 5:25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.

1 Thes 4:16 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

The voice of the Archangel raises the dead.
Jesus says His voice raises the dead.
Scripture never attributes resurrection power to angels.


Michael is the Great Price who stands up as King

Dan 12:1At that time Michael shall stand up,
2 The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people…
And many of those who sleep in the dust shall awake

Jesus calls Him Price
Acts 5:31 Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior

Only Jesus is the Prince and Deliverer of God’s people.

Multiple Titles does not mean multiple beings

The Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4)
The Lamb of God (John 1:29)
Immanuel (Matthew 1:23)
The Branch (Zechariah 3:8)
Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6)
Michael (“Who is like God?”) is a title, not a different being.

This idea is actually not made-up by the Seventh Day Adventist church. Many of the Reformers believed this as well.