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Jesus learned obedience through the things he suffered

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Hebrews 5:8 KJV
[8] Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

What are y'all's thoughts on this passage?

Robertson's Word Pictures -Heb 5:8 -

Though he was a Son (kaiper ōn huios). Concessive participle with kaiper, regular Greek idiom as in Heb_7:5; Heb_12:17.

Yet learned obedience (emathen hupakoēn). Second aorist active indicative of manthanō. Succinct and crisp statement of the humanity of Jesus in full harmony with Luk_2:40, Luk_2:52 and with Heb_2:10.

By the things which he suffered (aph' hōn epathen). There is a play on the two verbs (emathen-epathen), paronomasia. Second aorist active indicative of paschō. He always did his Father’s will (Joh_8:29), but he grew in experience as in wisdom and stature and in the power of sympathy with us.

Jamieson, Faussett, Brown-Heb 5:8 -

Though He WAS (so it ought to be translated: a positive admitted fact: not a mere supposition as were would imply) God’s divine Son (whence, even in His agony, He so lovingly and often cried, Father, Mat_26:39), yet He learned His (so the Greek) obedience, not from His Sonship, but from His sufferings. As the Son, He was always obedient to the Father’s will; but the special obedience needed to qualify Him as our High Priest, He learned experimentally in practical suffering. Compare Phi_2:6-8, “equal with God, but ... took upon Him the form of a servant, and became obedient unto death,” etc. He was obedient already before His passion, but He stooped to a still more humiliating and trying form of obedience then. The Greek adage is, “Pathemata mathemata,” “sufferings, disciplinings.” Praying and obeying, as in Christ’s case, ought to go hand in hand.

Matthew Henry Commentary
2. The consequences of this discharge of his office, Heb_5:8, Heb_5:9, etc.
(1.) By these his sufferings he learned obedience, though he was a Son, Heb_5:8. Here observe, [1.] The privilege of Christ: He was a Son; the only-begotten of the Father. One would have thought this might have exempted him from suffering, but it did not. Let none then who are the children of God by adoption expect an absolute freedom from suffering. What Son is he whom the Father chasteneth not? [2.] Christ made improvement by his sufferings. By his passive obedience, he learned active obedience; that is, he practiced that great lesson, and made it appear that he was well and perfectly learned in it; though he never was disobedient, yet he never performed such an act of obedience as when he became obedient to death, even to the death of the cross. Here he has left us an example, that we should learn by all our afflictions a humble obedience to the will of God. We need affliction, to teach us submission.​
 
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I believe for it to make full sense, it must be placed in perspective with the following words and the rest of the gospel:
...and being made perfect, He became the author of our eternal salvation, called of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedec.

He was sent as the Son of God and our Savior. I believe He was perfect before He was raised again. What obedience did He learn by suffering? He did not already know obedience? What did He transgress to cause a result of suffering? That does not compute as a consequence for a sinless person. Further, what death did he fear? Who was able to save Him from death? What death? The death He had already committed to do?
What if all this is speaking of Christ before He came to our world? Is that possible? Is it speaking of a time before the Father said to Him: "this day I have begotten thee...."
 
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Jesus did not come to be a man for his benefit.
He did not do anything for his benefit.
He did not say anything for his benefit.

Everything Jesus did and said was for our benefit.

Jesus came to save us from our sins.
He came to teach us what to know of God.
He came to teach us how to live for God.

What we should get from this passage is that just as Jesus was obedient unto death, so we should learn to be obedient to God, even unto death.

And it is such a LEARNING process to be OBEDIENT to God especially when we are SUFFERING for following him and resisting the devil's temptations.
 
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Psalm 69:5,9,21 KJV
[5] O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee. ... [9] For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me. ... [21] They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
 
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Hebrews 5:8 KJV
[8] Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


What are y'all's thoughts on this passage?

That Hebrews probably wasn't written by Paul, and it differs in many aspects to Pauls other writings. I don't place a lot of faith in it, especially when it attempts to explain.

Harold W. Attridge writes of the Epistle to the Hebrews (op. cit., p. 97):

Although Hebrews is included in the Pauline corpus and was part of that corpus in its earliest attested form (p46), it is certainly not a work of the apostle. This fact was recognized, largely on sytlistic grounds, even in antiquity. Some patristic authors defended the traditional Pauline attribution with theories of scribal assistants such as Clement of Rome or Luke, but such hypotheses do not do justice to the very un-Pauline treatment of key themes, particularly those of law and faith. Numerous alternative candidates for authorship have been proposed. The most prominent have been Barnabas, to whom Tertullian assigned the work; Apollos, defended by Luther and many moderns; Priscilla, suggested by von Harnack; Epaphras; and Silas. Arguments for none are decisive, and Origen's judgment that "God only knows" who composed the work is sound.
I side with Origen.
 
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This is what I believe....

We, as children of God, make mistakes based upon ignorance...

God teaches us and disciplines us for those mistakes so that we learn...

If we do that thing after God has taught us otherwise, then it is sin...

I believe Jesus did things that he was disciplined for and thus "learned obedience"...

I don't believe that, after being taught regarding those things that he repeated them...

Hence, to him it was not sin, although the action, if done with knowledge, would have been sin...

The Bible teaches a relation between knowledge and sin.

John 9:41 KJV
[41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

James 4:17 KJV
[17] Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Since Christ was disciplined through the learning process, and not subsequent to it, to him it was not sin.

I say this partly because of this passage in Hebrews and also because of Psalm 69, where he? says:

Psalm 69:5 KJV
[5] O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.
 
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Hebrews 5:8 KJV
[8] Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


What are y'all's thoughts on this passage?

Don't run away from suffering.

If you're studying and working to have a better life like the unbelievers, you already got things wrong.
 
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