Jesus isn't Catholic

[DeepWater]

Jesus isn't a Catholic.
Neither is Paul.

Also, think of every denomination you can think of, then add in 2500 more you dont know about.

Jesus and Paul are none of those........also.
Jesus and Paul do not belong to a man made denomination.
But you do, or have.

Its interesting that we are told to "not forsake the assembling of ourselves together"< but we are not told to join a denomination.
There is the concept of a Local Church, revealed in the NT, but its never given a BRAND NAME.
All that came later, as men moved in, took over, and created DENOMINATIONS.
Also...
IF you are born again, you've already joined the "one true Church", which is the literal, spiritual, body of Christ........that is not made with hands., but is made with The Blood of God as Jesus dying on a Cross.

So, is "organized religion", (denominations), the local church, good for you?
It can be great for you, and your family, but, the sticking point, is, that NT doctrine, as "sound doctrine" is always sound, of itself..... but the way it is taught in "church", is often man made reinvention.
= Carnal bible twisting mania.

The only thing the Devil loves more then 5000 denominations that dont agree with each other's theology, (he had a hand in this).....are 380 "New versions" of the BIBLE, that have changed verses, removed "sound" doctrine, and often try to leave God out, whenever possible.
Satan loves this.
LOVES it.

So, how do you know if your church is a mess, and is not walking in the Light, as Jesus is the Light?

It all comes down to how they teach Salvation.
It all comes down to each denomination's personal explanation of GRACE.
Understand Saint, that if they get this wrong, then everything else is wrong, also.
And if you belong to a church that has substituted works for Grace, then you are wrong also., and they did it to you.

So, how do you check all this, to find out if you are in a poisonous religious cult, or if you are in a place where God reigns and the Holy Spirit is active? ???

First, you have to understand that Jesus is Grace. JESUS is Eternal Life. Jesus is Salvation.... Jesus is the author and finishers of YOUR FAITH. Hebrews 12:2. And because Jesus is "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", and you are "IN Christ"", and have become the very "righteousness of Christ", if you are born again.... If you know all this, and believe all this, and TRUST all this and not in yourself to keep yourself saved..
You will also have to come to the truth of the revelation that God began your salvation and HE will finish it.
Philippians 1:6
= You have to come to a place in your theological mastery where you understand GRACE is a free gift, that Salvation is a free gift, and you no longer worry about losing your salvation, or still believe you have to keep yourself saved. (Legalism) (Galatians 1:8)
Saint, you have to come to the revelation, that, if i ask you, "what are you trusting in, to get you to heaven""".... your only and final answer, is "JESUS."
And until you are there, completely certain..... until you have the revelation of "Grace without works"..... Then you will always answer...."well, I trust in Jesus, BUT".........but....but......but.....but".... = Fail.
So, until you come to understand and truly believe that Jesus and Jesus alone saved you and will get you into heaven, then you are lost in the deceitful maze of "who is right"...>"who is lying"...."how do i know", and worst deceit of all..... "you can lose your salvation".

God help you to believe, His Truth, according to His Grace.....alone.




dw

 

[TuxAme]

Jesus isn't protestant, either. He's Jewish. So, there's that.

 

[Unofficial Reverand Alex]

Just to satisfy my curiosity:

Why did you specify "Jesus isn't Catholic" in the title, when your post was about denominations & organizations in general?

May God bless us all!

 

[crossnote]

IF you are born again, you've already joined the "one true Church", which is the literal, spiritual, body of Christ........that is not made with hands., but is made with The Blood of God as Jesus dying on a Cross.

Every denomination has it's confessions, so I guess that is your's?

 

[Sabertooth]

A little theme music for the OP. (It reminded me of the last verse.)

Oh Buddha

 

[dzheremi]

In the original Greek sense (not later geographic or 'denominational' senses) of "(believed) throughout the whole Church" (Catholic comes from the phrase kath' holou "on the whole; in general"), yes, Jesus was and is most definitely catholic. He is Who is believed in throughout the whole Christian world, whether in communion with Rome or not.

He was/is also orthodox, meaning "right believing/offering right praise", as demonstrated when He taught us to pray, when He corrected the erroneous interpretations of the Jews and Gentiles around Him ("You have heard it said..., but I say unto you...", etc.), and of course His truly being God in the flesh denies any other possibility or reality.

But in terms of the necessarily later denominational, communal, and/or geographic meanings of these words (including Protestant; I just couldn't think of a way to relate the original definition of Protestant to Christ Himself, as the various Protestant denominations generally do not bother trying to make themselves seem to have direct apostolic lineage to rely on outside of those whose founders had been actual members of the Roman Catholic Church at one point), of course Jesus wasn't any of these, no. Pentecost is often called "the baptism of the Church", as it was when the Church came fully into the world, and that was only in 33 AD, after His ascension into heaven. From there, all the individual apostolic churches were founded within a decade or two of each other, within the first century (e.g., Rome perhaps by the 40s, depending on whose history you believe; Alexandria sometime between 42 and 51 AD, again depending on whose history you believe; Armenia by 30 AD if you believe in the King Abgar V legend, wherein his conversion took place while Jesus was still walking the earth; India in 52 AD with the arrival of St. Thomas; Mesopotamia by the 50s AD thanks to St. Thaddeus and his disciple St. Mari, etc.)

 

[DeepWater]

Jesus isn't protestant, either. He's Jewish. So, there's that.

His Father isn't jewish, so "there's that".

 

[timothyu]

GRACE is a free gift

Actually the gift was the Kingdom given by grace.

 

[DeepWater]

Just to satisfy my curiosity:

Why did you specify "Jesus isn't Catholic" in the title, when your post was about denominations & organizations in general?

May God bless us all!

Actually, the point of the Thread is regarding how to understand if you are involved with a religious organization that isn't scriptural.
Most who are, would never take the time to find out.
See, the nature, and the essence of deceit, is that you don't know that you are deceived, and what keeps a person there, is a lazy attitude and self righteousness that prevents a person from caring, to even know for certain.
Also,
The Reason i chose that title, is because of all the known religious organizations in the world, there is only one that has a leader who is proclaimed to speak as if God is speaking absolute truth thru a Pope.... Its the idea of Papal Infallibility.
And so, if the Pope's mouth is the voice of God, then God must be a Catholic....is the idea regarding my Thread's title.
How do you feel about my title?

 

[DeepWater]

Every denomination has it's confessions, so I guess that is your's?

Im not certain you are making yourself clear. What do you mean by "has its confessions".
Are you talking about a Priest, a Confession Booth, and a catholic church member, giving a confession?
As far as i know, no protestant denomination engages in this act, or needs to.

 

[TuxAme]

His Father isn't jewish, so "there's that".

You're right- He handed down the Jewish religion.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Another act of grace is that He moves within the organisations conceived by man.

I don't say this to justify them, rather to acknowledge His great mercy.

 

[crossnote]

Im not certain you are making yourself clear. What do you mean by "has its confessions".
Are you talking about a Priest, a Confession Booth, and a catholic church member, giving a confession?
As far as i know, no protestant denomination engages in this act, or needs to.

Have you heard of the Belgic, Westminster, Augsburg or 1689 Confessions of Faith. What I quoted of yours, was that your 'confession'?
Of course Protestants confess their sins...to our High Priest.

1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1 John 1:9 (KJV) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[DeepWater]

In the original Greek sense

If i might add to your comment about "original greek".
There is no such thing, as the "original greek".
This is "scholarshipeze - speak" and has nothing to do with truth or reality.
What we have, as greek texts, are about 30 completed ones, which are all copies of copies of copies, with the occasional very early parchment preserved, usually as a piece or a part.
We have the Dead Sea Scrolls that are accepted by some manuscript evidence experts, but not by all.
So, if you are going to try to sound like an authority on "original extant" texts, on a public forum, you first need to learn that there is no original greek text....
What we have are the 30, and some greek texts that are considered to be corrupted by nearly all the major manuscript evidence experts. These are the "Latin" texts, which created the Catholic Bible.

You have Nestle's greek text that use to be the same as the "received text" or Byzatine Textus Receptus text that created the 1st version and 2nd spelling updated 1611 KJV, but its been altered, and now its not the same as it was originally, and there is strong debate about it being as accurate regarding doctrines, as it was before the handlers got ahold of it.

So, if you are going to actually learn anything about Koine Greek, and "manuscript evidence", then do a deep study on "western texts", as this is the area related to where Paul did much of his service for God.

Also, for the sake of being valid and authentic, its best to write what you have learned, instead of cutting and pasting other's work.

 

[timothyu]

Actually, the point of the Thread is regarding how to understand if you are involved with a religious organization that isn't scriptural.

You mean doctrinal instead?

 

[DeepWater]

Another act of grace is that He moves within the organisations conceived by man.
I don't say this to justify them, rather to acknowledge His great mercy.

God certainly moves within organizations that life up His Son, and do not corrupt NT doctrine.
God is where Truth is being given final authority, and not where man has remodeled God's word according to his particular POV.

 

[DeepWater]

You mean doctrinal instead?

No, scriptural., as in....the whole.
Doctrines are a part of scripture, but not everything written in a NT is an actual doctrine.
For example.... Paul said that he wishes all believers were unmarried, ... so, that isn't a doctrine.
Paul said that he has learned how to be content, no matter if he has money or if he is does not.
This is not doctrine, but its scriptural.
Peter said in 2nd Peter, that Paul's letters are scripture, and equal to the Torah.
This is not doctrine, but its scriptural.

 

[timothyu]

Doctrines are a part of scripture,

Doctrines are interpretations of scripture just as theology is religious philosophy.

 

[DeepWater]

Actually the gift was the Kingdom given by grace.

Grace, is God as Jesus on the Cross, bearing the sin of the World, and applying the gift of His very own righteousness upon and into anyone who will "believe on the Lord and tho shall be saved".
"Grace through faith". "The free gift of Righteousness"...."Salvation".
The end result of this transaction, is the fact that the born again are entered into the Kingdom you are referring to., as a part of our redemption.

 

[DeepWater]

Doctrines are interpretations of scripture just as theology is religious philosophy.

No, doctrines according to Paul, who was given them by Jesus, personally, are the revealed inner workings of the body of Christ, (The Church), that order its organization as well as its understanding of the word of God as rightly divided.

Im not sure where you are getting your mythical imagination that is expressing your interesting ideas of the Bible, but, they are not connected with Paul, Jesus, or scripture in general, so far.