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Both claimed infallibility for the teachings of their founders!
We are talking about claiming to be prophet of God, as both Joseph Smith and Ellen White failed the test of a true One!And of course, you are very proud of your slave approving founders who also owned slaves.
We are talking about claiming to be prophet of God, as both Joseph Smith and Ellen White failed the test of a true One!
We are talking about claiming to be prophet of God, as both Joseph Smith and Ellen White failed the test of a true One!
She was not Jewish, did no prophesy nor miracles, and she went against the prior revelations from God!Sorry---but you have not proven where EGW failed her tests. She passed all of them.
We must do that, as sda has no understanding on what scriptures teach, other then what EW wrote and spoke about!And---FYI---this thread is not about EGW, JW;'s, nor Joseph Smith---It is about Michael. All, we have done is quote the bible. It is always you people who bring in EGW and everyone else.
She was not Jewish, did no prophesy nor miracles, and she went against the prior revelations from God!
We must do that, as sda has no understanding on what scriptures teach, other then what EW wrote and spoke about!
She was not Jewish, did no prophesy nor miracles, and she went against the prior revelations from God!
The Sabbath as the seal of God bogus, that is the Holy Spirit,Investigative Judgement not in Bible, neither is OT diet laws under NC!Not Jewish???? And??? Neither was Abraham!! Again---where is your proof?? I see none, all I see is your opinion! She most certainly did prophecies and never went against any prior revelations from God! Please document your case, for you have nothing but your own opinion---that counts for nothing!
She denied the Pauline Justification of the Gospel, and that alone can make her a False prophet!Look---I have been on here for years--I've had real debates about her---not this empty stuff you are presenting. I've had very good presentations where people had quotes, excerpts from her writings, actual documentation that they felt was proof she was not genuine. All have been refuted and proven to be false. You just talk and present no documentation--it is obvious that you do not know what you are talking about and are only repeating some things you have heard. Nothing you have read for yourself. At least her statement about Jesus had documentation, it is just that her whole statement was not read and when it is read, it is still ignored. So, as they say---put up or.....She absolutely believed in Jesus as the 3rd part of the deity. All her writings attest to that. Get some sources quoted, that can actually be debated---just post the entire quote, not just a sentence and then try to make something she did not mean out of it.
The Sabbath as the seal of God bogus, that is the Holy Spirit,Investigative Judgement not in Bible, neither is OT diet laws under NC!
No---that is what you have been taught---it is not what the bi8ble says. This is at His 2nd coming. After this is the 100 years, After the 100 years is the judgement of the wicked and their demise. This empty, void, burned up and useless earth is where Satan and his angels spend their 1000 years. The New Earth is right after the wicked are destroyed by the fire of God. Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation to take His resurrected and living saints home. This is the Day of the Lord, this is His 2nd coming. The living wicked are destroyed and the rest of the wicked do not live again until after the 1000 years. You will, of course, continue to believe as you have been told.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
God is very organized, very methodical about what He does. It is 6 days, then a day of rest, 6 years of tilling the soil and then the land has a sabbath rest of one year---it is 6,000 years---then a rest of the planet for a 1000 years. I know you prefer what you have been taught.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
The city does not get set down until the earth is made new. Satan and his followers had tried to take over the city as it was descending. The fire came down from God. God and Jesus will be with the new earth, but not until it is remade.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
We will all see pretty soon what the sequence is. God has never removed anyone from tribulation but has always lead them through it. He lead them through the flood, in a boat, He did not take the Israelites out of Egypt before sending the 10 plagues, but kept them safe during the 7 last plagues. He will protect us during the last plagues of the tribulation and then He will come for us. As He did the Israelites.
Until you read what she wrote.
More than one or two people here will agree that Christ on Earth was not "blinding people by the brightness of His presence"... That is a given.
When He spoke to Moses on Sinai - He said that Moses could not see Him "and live" - but on Earth even Judas could "see Christ" .. so He was not walking around in the unveiled "mighty God" form as He was on Sinai... we call it the "incarnation".
was Jesus able to sin by EW?
Not Jewish???? And??? Neither was Abraham!! Again---where is your proof?? I see none, all I see is your opinion! She most certainly did prophecies and never went against any prior revelations from God! Please document your case, for you have nothing but your own opinion---that counts for nothing!
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