Jesus is a "thief" and a "grave robber" ...

[goodnewsinc]

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night!

John 5:28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Hosea 13:14. I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Not to worry!

IF YOU ARE HUMAN (SHEEP), wheat, and "seed of the woman", and "image of God", you have it made!

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

BUT ... If you are a demon, tare, and "son of perdition-man of sin", and "image of the Beast" .... you have a major problem!

Isaiah 14:12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 21. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. 22. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.

Oh, Jesus! What a SPLENDID THIEF you are! You have stolen the spirits of dying man ... and the open mouth of hell has lost all hue- (hew-) who-?men! Ta- ta- ta! you bloody Lamb!

Isaiah 53:1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed? 2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Perhaps "three blind mice" have something to say! How about several dusty ditch dwellers?

A voice is heard far below at a great distance ... "Help! Help! Stop! Stop that thief! You treacherous SOB! Give me back my "prodigals"! I won them fair and square with my sin weapon! He resembles that Jesus, but I killed him 2000 years ago! I am losing all the souls I thought I had! Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo who?"

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[Pseud]

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If your doctrine is true, it should stand under fire.

I ask these questions so that you can qualify your standing.

Tell me Goodnews, what does kolasis and olethros (Gk.) represent to you? Who receives them?

Is all creation righteous? How is righteousness acheived? Is there a difference between righteousness imparted and righteousness imputed?

What is the value of faith?

Are people at all associated or involved in the second death?

What does repentance provide that unrepentance does not?

 

[goodnewsinc]

This is His world, men are His sons and daughters; we are all "subjected to Satan's vanity not willingly" by Him for educational purposes; He created the devil to be a negative and dark resource. We are asked to abide by His rules, and He is the ABSOLUTE Supreme Judge who renders VERDICTS and DECISIONS according to His WILL and PLEASURE. These are His Words and if you do not like them, take your protest to the Throne!

John 5:22. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

John 8:15. Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

2 Corinthians 5:18. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19. To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Isaiah 45:21. Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24. Surely, shall one say, In the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Romans 5:17. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21. That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

As you know GOD IS LOVE! Just yell up there and tell the Father you disapprove of His practice of "Love your enemies, DO GOOD to them that hate you, and pray for (not against) those who despitefully use you and who might nail you to a cross"! Tell Him you don't like it and you prefer vengeance and anger because YOU have the "elder son" be-attitude! You do not need to ask me one thing! I agree with God's LOVE!

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

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As you know GOD IS LOVE! Just yell up there and tell the Father you disapprove of His practice of "Love your enemies, DO GOOD to them that hate you, and pray for (not against) those who despitefully use you and who might nail you to a cross"! Tell Him you don't like it and you prefer vengeance and anger because YOU have the "elder son" be-attitude! You do not need to ask me one thing! I agree with God's LOVE!

I'm not asking God for an answer, I'm asking you for a personal interpretation, so that you may qualify your position. I'm trying to see the position of the man that preaches only one thing.

If you could answer the questions it would be muchly appreciated, and would help me at least to see where you are coming from.

 

[gigglegrl14]

i guess you could put it that way

 

[cat has felt the light!]

well erm, ok, I'm a little confused by some of the above but I guess I know what it is ur saying!
C@ xx

 

[goodnewsinc]

Both are Judges of the world and WHAT THEY SAY should END human speculation. In the initial post, Jesus tells you what he will DO. All speculation and quibbling by religionists on earth and at message boards are IRRELEVANT! God and Jesus DO NOT LIE! They DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY, not what you say! Your theological "spin" cannot make them into liars. He is "drawing all men to him" as quickly as they take their last breath, while men shed tears at the graveside unaware "that" the prodigals have been DRAWN to the FEAST of "wine" and FAMILY REUNION upstairs. Jesus is "drawing all men" where he is and no devil or blind preacher on earth can take one sheep from his hand! Can you say, "Amen"?! No amount of SPINNING can change all men to "some men" or "a few men". You just can't turn Jesus into a liar like the false preacher are!

2 Corinthians 11:13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[pressingon]

Speaking of false teachers (or preachers, if you prefer)....

2 Peter 2:1-10 (NIV):
[sup]1[/sup]But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. [sup]2[/sup]Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. [sup]3[/sup]In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

[sup]4[/sup]For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; [sup]5[/sup]if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; [sup]6[/sup]if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; [sup]7[/sup]and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men [sup]8[/sup](for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) -- [sup]9[/sup]if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. [sup]10[/sup]This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority.

2 Peter 2:1-10(KJV):
[sup]1[/sup] But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
[sup]2[/sup] And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
[sup]3[/sup] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
[sup]4[/sup] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
[sup]5[/sup] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
[sup]6[/sup] And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
[sup]7[/sup] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
[sup]8[/sup] (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )
[sup]9[/sup] The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
[sup]10[/sup] But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Regarding the godliness and righteousness referred to by God's Word above, see Romans 3:

Romans 3:21-31 (NIV):
[sup]21[/sup]But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. [sup]22[/sup]This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, [sup]23[/sup]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [sup]24[/sup]and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. [sup]25[/sup]God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished -- [sup]26[/sup]he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

[sup]27[/sup]Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. [sup]28[/sup]For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. [sup]29[/sup]Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, [sup]30[/sup]since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. [sup]31[/sup]Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Romans 3:21-31 (KJV):
[sup]21[/sup] But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[sup]22[/sup] Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[sup]23[/sup] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[sup]24[/sup] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[sup]25[/sup] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[sup]26[/sup] To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
[sup]27[/sup] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
[sup]28[/sup] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
[sup]29[/sup] Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
[sup]30[/sup] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
[sup]31[/sup] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Again, I plead with you John, consider the entirety of God's Holy Word, asking God to guide you in understanding. I fear for the well-being of your soul should you continue to deny that faith in Christ is indeed required for salvation.

Side note: I fail to see why you preach the message of universal salvation (i.e., salvation of ALL regardless of one's faith in Christ), anyway, at least with such zeal. If what you apparently so strongly believe is true, we're all saved anyway, and faith in Christ is meaningless in regard to salvation.

 

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Jude is another one which speaks about the judgement of men, and describes all the men. Good work pressingon, good research.

 

[cat has felt the light!]

Go pressingon I absolutely get this, thumbs up pal
C@ xx

 

[nb_christseeker]

i'm not sure, but i fear that this fellow may need mental help. or a friend. do you need a friend goodnewsinc? share your sorrows with us. we know you're a real person who experiences a lot of pain just like we do. share with us your life, so we can help you as friends. lets just take a step back from theology for a moment and talk about you, and what you really want in life, or what is bothering you? what's your motivation?

 

[goodnewsinc]

1. There are "men of flesh and blood", the children of God, wheat, the seed of the woman. Hebrews 2:6-7, 14-15.

2. "Men of sin", tares, the invisible "images of the beast" and "sons of perdition", invisible evil spirits that claim human bodies as "their houses", Matthew 12:43-45.

So.... step back! Take a breath! .... Now tell me, which "men" is the Spirit referring to in Jude if you can "rightly divide" the TWO EDGE Word?

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

[goodnewsinc]

1. There are "men of flesh and blood", the children of God, wheat, the seed of the woman. Hebrews 2:6-7, 14-15.

2. "Men of sin", tares, the invisible "images of the beast" and "sons of perdition", invisible evil spirits that claim human bodies as "their houses", Matthew 12:43-45.

So.... step back! Take a breath! .... Now tell me, which "men" is the Spirit referring to in Jude, if you can "rightly divide" the TWO EDGE Word?

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

 

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Matthew 12:43-45

When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

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Firstly, I believe it is clear that there is no connection between these evil spirits and the goats of another parable. The man is the goat, not some spirit. Listen to this, and let your own spirit divide.

Jude 1:4
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For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Here is the greek word for "men" :
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=444&version=kjv

If you are too busy to do any research on who Jude is talking about, this is what it says in short:

Anthropos = a[nqrwpoß =Men

1. a human being, whether male or female
a. generically, to include all human individuals
b. to distinguish man from beings of a different order

1. of animals and plants
2. of from God and Christ
3. of the angels

I could go on, but it would not further "flesh" this point out.

Stop fooling around with the fact that men are ordained to condemnation. Your words must align with these, as well as others (like Isa 45). You can't simply throw this out, and hope that people will overlook the fact that men are ordained for "Krima." Check this word out too, it is the word for condemnation.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2917&version=kjv

And this is coming to men, not only spirits who left their first estate (Jude 1:6). Read Jude in its entirety, it gives a good revealing of this condemnation which fell on Sodom and Gomorrah as a "sign;" yes, upon people.