stuart lawrence
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Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them
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Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe themThe totality of scripture taken as whole is (or will be) about, or is, the (good news of) the "gospel of (the) grace" (of God)...
This is why teachers and believer's in law, just don't get it...
God Bless!
Galatians 2:4-Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them
@The Times, as we say where I live is "tracking like a hound dog."The Times does. Haven't you read his posts?
He is a huge endorsement of my belief
If we find unity in the core truth of Christ alone then we can all afford, for a time, to hold some ideas that are not strictly correct and we can, while Loving them deeply from the heart, allow others to do the same while we wait for the Father to reveal all truth in His time.
Who is advocating law keeping here?Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them
Have you heard of John McEnroe?Who is advocating law keeping here?
The Law was added to make transgressions manifest and sin abound...Actually, according to scripture, those who insist you must observe the law to be righteous/ saved, are preaching a message that stirs up sin in people who believe them
Yep. Once the law was given sin increased rom5:20The Law was added to make transgressions manifest and sin abound...
Stuart I'm reading your responses to others and for some reason scratching my head why you respond the way you do.Have you heard if John McEnroe?
You cannot be serious
Why is the power of sin the law?
1cor15:56
Why are sinfull passions aroused in people by the law if they live under it?
Rom7:5
I'm not sure if neogorgia would exactly agree, you could ask him.Stuart I'm reading your responses to others and for some reason scratching my head why you respond the way you do.
IMO you have some set view of some and "go with it" with everyone you reply to. Even folks who seem to be agreeing with you.
Just a loving observation take it for what it is.
Nowhere close in afraidThe context is the post resurrection sinless state, where...
unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28)
The context of 1 Cor 15:56 is the post resurrection sinless state, after the mortal earthly corruptible body has been laid to rest in the dust of the death.
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,
Paul still advocates the Law of Sola Scripture, but applied in the newness of the spirit, the heart of flesh.
and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Paul states, that he followed the written law extrinsically as to be seen to abide by it, not understanding what its purpose was, because deep down he still lusted and never considered that the internal man is what counts to God.
Paul realised that under the letter of the law he was ignorant of the lusts of the heart and it was when he realised this, that he declared himself dead, because he realised he was condemning himself by virtue of his unclean heart through the very letter of the law that upheld in high regard as a pharisee.
Paul died to his fleshly carnal ways that he defines as sin, because the lusts of the heart were never considered as part of the equation of sinning.
Rom 7:21 — Rom 7:22
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Saul the pharisee was not in a post resurrection sinless state, when, through his knowledge of the comnandment: thou shalt not covet, all manner of concupiscence was aroused in him, for:Nowhere close in afraid
Concerning rom 7:5The context is the post resurrection sinless state, where...
unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28)
The context of 1 Cor 15:56 is the post resurrection sinless state, after the mortal earthly corruptible body has been laid to rest in the dust of the earth.
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit,
Paul still advocates the Law of Sola Scripture, but applied in the newness of the spirit, the heart of flesh.
and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Paul states, that he followed the written law extrinsically as to be seen to abide by it, not understanding what its purpose was, because deep down he still lusted and never considered that the internal man is what counts to God.
Paul realised that under the letter of the law he was ignorant of the lusts of the heart and it was when he realised this, that he declared himself dead, because he realised he was condemning himself by virtue of his unclean heart through the very letter of the law that he upheld in high regard as a pharisee.
Paul died to his fleshly carnal ways that he defines as sin, because the lusts of the heart were never considered as part of the equation of sinning.
Rom 7:21 — Rom 7:22
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
If I said to you:What do you mean, please elaborate.
Could the knowledge of sin do the same...Concerning rom 7:5
The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin
If I said to you:
If you think of a pink rabbit God will condemn you to hell, what is the first thought that would come into your head if you believed me?
Consequently
If I said to you:
If you break the TC/ covet, God will condemn you to hell. What would you then start thinking about if you believed me?
Let's put it another way.Fear of not doing those things. And so....... please go on
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